MAZ,
-Y works for me ver-Y well in the same situation that -You're in, and I've
got the subtle feeling that others ma-Y have also recommended using -Y.
-Ya never know...
/vjl/ :)
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006, Rich Cook wrote:
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} On Jun 15, 2006, at 9:27 AM, Mike Zuhl wrote:
}
} > I just tried "ssh -TX ..." with the same effect--"BadAtoms"!
} > I also tried the "-1" option to use ssh protocol 1, with the same effect.
} > --MAZ
} >
} > On Jun 14, 2006, at 2:54 PM, Michael Tuexen wrote:
} >
} > > Try the -Y option...
} > >
} > > Best regards
} > > Michael
} > >
} > > On Jun 14, 2006, at 11:35 PM, Mike Zuhl wrote:
} > >
} > > >
} > > >
} > > > Rich Cook wrote:
} > > > > I assume you are running ssh from your Mac to the 4.2 boxen?
} > > >
} > > > To start the session, yes, but then I log out. Tunneling X protocol
} > > > thru ssh is what causes the problems, so I connect directly to the
} > > > TCP port of the Mac.
} > > >
} > > > >
} > > > > Have you tried not tunneling the X connection? I.e., ***as an
} > > > > experiment*** -- not permanent, try setting your DISPLAY to yourmac:0
} > > > > and using xhost to allow the 4.2 box.
} > > >
} > > > Yup, this is exactly how I run stuff. Since I'm on a secure LAN, I run
} > > > "xhost +" on X11
} > > > to turn off authentication, then I login via ssh to the various servers
} > > > and start
} > > > the sessions with environment variable "DISPLAY=mymac:0.0". (BTW, you
} > > > have to run
} > > > "defaults write com.apple.x11 nolisten_tcp -boolean false" to get X11 to
} > > > talk TCP.)
} > > > So no ssh tunneling and it works fine.
} > > >
} > > > To reiterate:
} > > > 1) Using ssh tunneling gets "BadAtom" on FreeBSD 4.2.
} > > > 2) Direct TCP connection w/o ssh in the loop works fine.
} > > >
} > > > > If the error goes away then it's SSH to blame.
} > > >
} > > > Yep. Pretty weird! You would think that if ssh had a problem it would
} > > > show up elsewhere,
} > > > too.
} > > >
} > > > Other datapoints:
} > > > 3) The "BadAtom" happens on commands to the window manager, e.g,.
} > > > "xwininfo"
} > > > - Also on TclTk, which uses X11 server atoms for IPC
} > > > - Regular screen traffic seems unaffected
} > > > (i.e., "xwininfo" would be a good tool for testing this bug)
} > > > 4) FreeBSD 5.3 likes ssh tunneling just fine.
} > > > 5) Sun users have reported a similar problem. There is a decent chance
} > > > that
} > > > their version of ssh is somewhat old, like FreeBSD 4.2
} > > > 6) Pre-Tiger, FreeBSD 4.2 liked ssh tunneling just fine, too.
} > > >
} > > > So it seems that there was a change, perhaps inadvertent, to ssh that
} > > > was not entirely
} > > > compatible with older ssh servers. New ssh clients talk to new servers
} > > > just fine,
} > > > old ssh clients talked to old servers just fine, but new clients talking
} > > > to old servers
} > > > cause X protocol screw-ups.
} > > >
} > > > Since Mac OS, FreeBSD, and probably Sun all use ssh from the same
} > > > open-source code
} > > > base, I think this is an issue with that code base and has nothing to do
} > > > with Apple.
} > > > If so, it should show up elsewhere, e.g., old Sun app talking to a fresh
} > > > Linux
} > > > console. Anyone have the setup to test this assumption?
} > > >
} > > > > Have you tried the -Y option to ssh?
} > > >
} > > > Nope. My read is that's just authorization which isn't the issue here.
} > > > Also, as soon
} > > > as I got my tools to work, I got on to paying work :-).
} > > > --Mike Zuhl
} > > >
} > > > > On Jun 13, 2006, at 3:44 PM, Mike Zuhl wrote:
} > > > > > I two FreeBSD servers I use: one running FreeBSD 4.2 and one running
} > > > > > FreeBSD 5.3. I also connect to a farm of various Linux machines
} > > > > > running recent releases. Since Tiger I've been getting the
} > > > > > "BadAtom" error on the FreeBSD 4.2 X clients connecting over ssh.
} > > > > > These happen when the client tries to get info from the window
} > > > > > manager using the xwininfo command or running a TclTk app, which I
} > > > > > presumes talks to the window manager for its (somewhat unusual) IPC.
} > > > > >
} > > > > > Neither FreeBSD 5.3 nor the recent copies of Linux suffer the same
} > > > > > problem. And, strangely, neither does FreeBSD 4.2 when I turn on
} > > > > > TCP sockets in X11 and connect directly instead of using ssh.
} > > > > >
} > > > > > I suspect that the problem is not X11 but in differences in Tiger's
} > > > > > ssh and how it operates with older versions of ssh, both in Sun's
} > > > > > and FreeBSD.
} > > > > > --Mike Zuhl
} > > > >
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