Re: Apple's Tools Strategy [was: Accessing function definitions Radar]

Subject: Re: Apple's Tools Strategy [was: Accessing function definitions Radar]

From: David Walters <email@hidden>

Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:02:30 +1100

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On 29/10/2006, at 4:30 AM, Laurence Harris wrote:

On Oct 28, 2006, at 12:56 PM, David Walters wrote:

EVERY SINGLE THING I missed about VS was actually tucked away in Xcode. I was up and running with it in MINUTES, there's a testament to the Mac people.

What, that they make Windows VS developers comfortable in Xcode?

Debug Visualisers and Intelli$ense, add some sort of schema builder for showing the boss what the data warehouse looks like, and it's all over.

Well, Anjuta is really lovely, I was able to port to Gnome with Glade in about a week, last month, when I built a linux box (with ubuntu) to run a port on (that was with un-staticising all my initialisation and other m$ c++ bits and pieces that needed to go) - I'd say that I represent intel developers.

(and when millions of voices whispered, "did you say gcc4 with auto mp?" - i was one of them)

With all due respect, it sounds like you have little to no experience as a Mac developer.

Not for long, I turned off my pc. Plenty of experience as an Intel developer though. You know, gcc/subversion? Or X11/Gnome/Glade? What about apache/java/php, perl/regex, it's a big list... and there's so many of us. Look at widgets, what they mean when every kid who's into this stuff learns html/_javascript_ as a first language.

such people and their products are not driving force behind the Mac's success,

We are now. We all have IPods too you know. CodeWarrior-what? All of that is gone. Hope you know XML.

If we don't provide state of the art, compelling products whenever we can the Mac will cease to be compelling as a platform,

I agree with this bit.

and the kind of products you describe do not sound like products that will attract people to the Mac from other platforms.

Larry

I have spent a lot of time describing Xcode, and I've heard how you don't like it, but Dude - these are the world's most stunningly sexy linux boxes, they can do ANYTHING!! And now they are so cheap it's raining macs. And they never crash. This is an upgrade-tsunami. This is the revolution! And *nix won!

And to re-iterate, we all love the standard library, and we all love mouse-wavability. Visualisers and Intelli$ense - that's all it takes, and we're hooked (well I'm hooked already).

To you, Code-Warrior, at sea level, it is just a big wave. You can swim.

From the Intel Ivory Tower, from the Visual Studio, we see the inevitability.

You can drive an M$ sql server over rdp with a mac. Or a TS desktop... what was that? Enterprise mySQL? Open Source, you say? On an operating system developed by scientists, at a university for forty odd years? That BSD?

DISSOLVE.

1c. A HILLTOP IN THE WASTELAND. DAY.

A warrior, dressed in leather and steel, stands on a

hill crest. This is MAX. Behind him is a strange road

vehicle: two engines and a seat mounted on a chassis.

NARRATOR V/O

But, most of all, I remember the

courage of a stranger, a road

warrior called Max. To understand

who he was you must go back to the

last days of the old world ...

FADE TO BLACK.

;)

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References:
	>Re: Accessing function definitions Radar (From: Turtle Creek Software <email@hidden>)
	>Apple's Tools Strategy [was: Accessing function definitions Radar] (From: Chris Espinosa <email@hidden>)
	>Re: Apple's Tools Strategy [was: Accessing function definitions Radar] (From: Jerry <email@hidden>)
	>Re: Apple's Tools Strategy [was: Accessing function definitions Radar] (From: "Mark Munz" <email@hidden>)
	>Re: Apple's Tools Strategy [was: Accessing function definitions Radar] (From: David Walters <email@hidden>)
	>Re: Apple's Tools Strategy [was: Accessing function definitions Radar] (From: Laurence Harris <email@hidden>)