Re: [Fed-Talk] Someday is here UNCLASSIFIED (UNCLASSIFIED)
Re: [Fed-Talk] Someday is here UNCLASSIFIED (UNCLASSIFIED)
- Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Someday is here UNCLASSIFIED (UNCLASSIFIED)
- From: Paul Nelson <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:01:11 -0500
- Thread-topic: [Fed-Talk] Someday is here UNCLASSIFIED (UNCLASSIFIED)
Al,
There were some delays that were no fault of the AGM team. This isn't an
appropriate place to discuss the cause for them, but I can say that all the
companies involved worked hard to get the fixes in.
The team is under a lot of pressure to get the first version out.
As someone that has been personally working toward the AGM release for two
years, I understand the frustration. However, I am convinced that the AGM
is the only way we will see the day when Army personnel can choose freely
between Windows or Macintosh.
Paul Nelson
CTO
Thursby Software Systems, Inc.
> From: "Nees-Contractor, Al" <email@hidden>
> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:14:18 -0400
> To: Apple Fed Talk <email@hidden>
> Subject: RE: [Fed-Talk] Someday is here UNCLASSIFIED (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
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>
> With all due respect to the team that has been working on the Mac AGM,
>
> For months now there has been the preverbal "AGM carrot" dangled out there
> just out of our reach. We have been told that it is
> "Coming soon" "By the end of April", well guess what? Next week is the end of
> April, and we appear to be no closer to an initial AGM
> release for the MAC.
>
> As everyone can read in many of the posts, the frustration of the Fed
> community is at a high level. So I believe that it is time to
> "Get off the pot" and release the AGM Version 1.0 to Fed community. Nobody is
> expecting perfection, on the first release, but
> something is better than nothing.
>
>
> L. Alan Nees
> Engineering (IT) LAB Manager
> NCI Information Systems, Inc
> Supporting PEO STRI
> Phone: 407-384-5436
> Cell: 321-228-6413
> email@hidden
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fed-talk-bounces+al.nees=email@hidden
> [mailto:fed-talk-bounces+al.nees=email@hidden] On Behalf
> Of Paul Nelson
> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:17 PM
> To: Peralta, Rex J Mr CIV USA IMCOM; Putnam, J. Keith (AMRDEC/MRC); William G.
> Cerniuk; Apple Fed Talk
> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Someday is here UNCLASSIFIED (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> The AGM build will include Thursby's AFC. AFC gives you single sign on with
> the CAC so you don't need a password. When you log in, you will have
> Kerberos credentials. It also handles some other things related to securing
> login using a CAC.
>
> Paul Nelson
> Thursby Software Systems, Inc.
>
>
>> From: "Peralta, Rex J Mr CIV USA IMCOM" <email@hidden>
>> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:35:44 -0600
>> To: "Putnam, J. Keith (AMRDEC/MRC)" <email@hidden>, "William G.
>> Cerniuk" <email@hidden>, <email@hidden>
>> Subject: RE: [Fed-Talk] Someday is here UNCLASSIFIED (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
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>>
>> I would also like to add that the AGM build has CAC usage as a requirement
>> and that here at Fort Carson we are including CAC-enabled Macs as part of
>> our DIACAP accreditation.
>>
>> Rex Peralta
>> IT Project Manager
>> Plans, Architecture, Service and Operations Branch
>> Directorate of Information Management
>> Fort Carson
>> US Army
>> http://www.carson.army.mil/doim
>> COMM: 719-526-0198
>> DSN: 691-0198
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fed-talk-bounces+rex.peralta=email@hidden
>> [mailto:fed-talk-bounces+rex.peralta=email@hidden] On Behalf
>> Of J. Keith Putnam
>> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 10:26 AM
>> To: William G. Cerniuk; email@hidden
>> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Someday is here UNCLASSIFIED
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>> I have no involvement in the security process, but I believe that it goes
>> like this:
>> We are bound to the DIACAP process.
>> Said process requires documentation that all systems in the DIACAP be
>> accredited.
>> Mac OS does not integrate with CAC authentication to AD, the automated
>> software updates, virus updates, etc. that are involved in the accreditation
>> package that is being built here.
>> The CIO\IAM that is responsible for the DIACAP I am on hasn't the resources
>> to invest in non-MS OSes. There is a working group for Unix variants, but,
>> to my knowledge they haven't developed a satisfactory path.
>> The CIO\IAM maintains that any accreditations outside his bundle must be
>> funded by the using contract.
>> We can't afford to fund accreditations.
>> I am not allowed to ask questions of the CIO\IAM, or his subordinates.
>>
>> "Security through diversity" is a nice thought. The accreditation process
>> seems to squeeze the life out of diversity.
>>
>> It seems to me that people who expect to benefit from AGM must have waivers
>> from the imminent accreditation and DIACAP requirement. I have been told we
>> must be accredited and documented by early summer, June, I think, or we will
>> not have access to the Army network.
>>
>> As an aside; when the CAC requirement deadline came, non-Windows users were
>> allowed to keep using passwords and told that the IA people would help us
>> get to compliance.
>>
>> On 4/23/08 8:52 PM, "William G. Cerniuk" <email@hidden> wrote:
>>
>>> Ironically www.army.mil is all Mac... on Mac OS X. It was chosen for
>>> its security and performance.
>>>
>>> And the AGM for Mac is right around the corner, I am part of the team
>>> as is several others on this list.
>>>
>>> Riddle me this, is there written and signed policy that indicates you
>>> cannot run Mac OS X? The Army's stated policy is "security through
>>> diversity" if I recall, LTG Boutelle, Army CIO (previous) a Mac user.
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Wm. Cerniuk
>>> E2E Project Manager, Innovation Program Chief Health Informatics
>>> Office VHA Office of Information
>>> 703.594.7616
>>>
>>> Time is Short, and the Water Rises
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2008, at 2:12 PM, J. Keith Putnam wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
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>>>> Not to whine, I assume some of you will be interested in this.
>>>>
>>>> Due to the lack of accreditation path for the Mac OS, my Mac Pro is
>>>> being converted.
>>>>
>>>> I now have a Windows XP drive, sans BootCamp, set up for CAC
>>>> authentication.
>>>> Most of my Windows apps are installed. Once I get my Mac files
>>>> transferred, I will be required to remove my Mac drives and go 100%
>>>> XP. I will have one of the best Windows machines around. No joy implied.
>>>>
>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
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>>>> --
>>>> Keith Putnam
>>>> Stanley Associates
>>>> Software Engineering Directorate
>>>> Redstone Arsenal
>>>> 256-876-0363
>>>>
>>>>
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>> --
>> Keith Putnam
>> Stanley Associates
>> Software Engineering Directorate
>> 256-876-0363
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