RE: [Fed-Talk] Someday is here UNCLASSIFIED (UNCLASSIFIED)
RE: [Fed-Talk] Someday is here UNCLASSIFIED (UNCLASSIFIED)
- Subject: RE: [Fed-Talk] Someday is here UNCLASSIFIED (UNCLASSIFIED)
- From: "Traynor, Paul I" <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:30:51 -0500
- Thread-topic: [Fed-Talk] Someday is here UNCLASSIFIED (UNCLASSIFIED)
Actually, both NISPOM and DIACAP do require anti-virus software for all
systems, including Macs.
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From: Bill Vlahos [mailto:email@hidden]
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 1:09 PM
To: Taylor Armstrong
Cc: Apple Fed Talk; Nees-Contractor, Al
Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Someday is here UNCLASSIFIED (UNCLASSIFIED)
Of course the PC would have to justify anti-virus software as an
additional costs too. Not something Macs need (at least not yet).
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On Apr 25, 2008, at 10:19 AM, Taylor Armstrong wrote:
> Additionally, while I'm glad that the build will work well with
> Thursby, does this mean an additional Thursby license required for
> every OS X 10.5 build? That isn't going to win any new support from
> our CIO, if we have to spend an additional cost for each and every OS
> X machine we upgrade. I'm sure there are discounts for bulk
> purchases, but a single license for AFC is $199. I expect our CIO,
> like many others, would rather simply replace the Mac with a Dell
> rather than incur an additional $200 expense.... that's about 1/3 the
> cost of a standard desktop Dell just for the software.
>
> Taylor
>
>
> On Apr 25, 2008, at 11:14 AM, Nees-Contractor, Al wrote:
>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>> With all due respect to the team that has been working on the Mac
>> AGM,
>>
>> For months now there has been the preverbal "AGM carrot" dangled out
>> there just out of our reach. We have been told that it is "Coming
>> soon" "By the end of April", well guess what? Next week is the end of
>> April, and we appear to be no closer to an initial AGM release for
>> the MAC.
>>
>> As everyone can read in many of the posts, the frustration of the Fed
>> community is at a high level. So I believe that it is time to "Get
>> off the pot" and release the AGM Version 1.0 to Fed community.
>> Nobody is expecting perfection, on the first release, but something
>> is better than nothing.
>>
>>
>> L. Alan Nees
>> Engineering (IT) LAB Manager
>> NCI Information Systems, Inc
>> Supporting PEO STRI
>> Phone: 407-384-5436
>> Cell: 321-228-6413
>> email@hidden
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fed-talk-bounces+al.nees=email@hidden
>> [mailto:fed-talk-bounces+al.nees=email@hidden
>> ] On Behalf
>> Of Paul Nelson
>> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:17 PM
>> To: Peralta, Rex J Mr CIV USA IMCOM; Putnam, J. Keith (AMRDEC/MRC);
>> William G. Cerniuk; Apple Fed Talk
>> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Someday is here UNCLASSIFIED (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>
>> The AGM build will include Thursby's AFC. AFC gives you single sign
>> on with the CAC so you don't need a password. When you log in, you
>> will have Kerberos credentials. It also handles some other things
>> related to securing login using a CAC.
>>
>> Paul Nelson
>> Thursby Software Systems, Inc.
>>
>>
>>> From: "Peralta, Rex J Mr CIV USA IMCOM" <email@hidden>
>>> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:35:44 -0600
>>> To: "Putnam, J. Keith (AMRDEC/MRC)" <email@hidden>,
>>> "William G.
>>> Cerniuk" <email@hidden>, <email@hidden>
>>> Subject: RE: [Fed-Talk] Someday is here UNCLASSIFIED (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>
>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>
>>> I would also like to add that the AGM build has CAC usage as a
>>> requirement and that here at Fort Carson we are including
>>> CAC-enabled Macs as part of our DIACAP accreditation.
>>>
>>> Rex Peralta
>>> IT Project Manager
>>> Plans, Architecture, Service and Operations Branch Directorate of
>>> Information Management Fort Carson US Army
>>> http://www.carson.army.mil/doim
>>> COMM: 719-526-0198
>>> DSN: 691-0198
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: fed-talk-bounces+rex.peralta=email@hidden
>>> [mailto:fed-talk-bounces+rex.peralta=email@hidden]
>>> On Behalf
>>> Of J. Keith Putnam
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 10:26 AM
>>> To: William G. Cerniuk; email@hidden
>>> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Someday is here UNCLASSIFIED
>>>
>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>
>>> I have no involvement in the security process, but I believe that it
>>> goes like this:
>>> We are bound to the DIACAP process.
>>> Said process requires documentation that all systems in the DIACAP
>>> be accredited.
>>> Mac OS does not integrate with CAC authentication to AD, the
>>> automated software updates, virus updates, etc. that are involved in
>>> the accreditation package that is being built here.
>>> The CIO\IAM that is responsible for the DIACAP I am on hasn't the
>>> resources to invest in non-MS OSes. There is a working group for
>>> Unix variants, but, to my knowledge they haven't developed a
>>> satisfactory path.
>>> The CIO\IAM maintains that any accreditations outside his bundle
>>> must be funded by the using contract.
>>> We can't afford to fund accreditations.
>>> I am not allowed to ask questions of the CIO\IAM, or his
>>> subordinates.
>>>
>>> "Security through diversity" is a nice thought. The accreditation
>>> process seems to squeeze the life out of diversity.
>>>
>>> It seems to me that people who expect to benefit from AGM must have
>>> waivers from the imminent accreditation and DIACAP requirement. I
>>> have been told we must be accredited and documented by early summer,
>>> June, I think, or we will not have access to the Army network.
>>>
>>> As an aside; when the CAC requirement deadline came, non-Windows
>>> users were allowed to keep using passwords and told that the IA
>>> people would help us get to compliance.
>>>
>>> On 4/23/08 8:52 PM, "William G. Cerniuk" <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ironically www.army.mil is all Mac... on Mac OS X. It was chosen
>>>> for its security and performance.
>>>>
>>>> And the AGM for Mac is right around the corner, I am part of the
>>>> team as is several others on this list.
>>>>
>>>> Riddle me this, is there written and signed policy that indicates
>>>> you cannot run Mac OS X? The Army's stated policy is "security
>>>> through diversity" if I recall, LTG Boutelle, Army CIO (previous) a
>>>> Mac user.
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Wm. Cerniuk
>>>> E2E Project Manager, Innovation Program Chief Health Informatics
>>>> Office VHA Office of Information
>>>> 703.594.7616
>>>>
>>>> Time is Short, and the Water Rises
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 23, 2008, at 2:12 PM, J. Keith Putnam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
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>>>>> Not to whine, I assume some of you will be interested in this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Due to the lack of accreditation path for the Mac OS, my Mac Pro
>>>>> is being converted.
>>>>>
>>>>> I now have a Windows XP drive, sans BootCamp, set up for CAC
>>>>> authentication.
>>>>> Most of my Windows apps are installed. Once I get my Mac files
>>>>> transferred, I will be required to remove my Mac drives and go
>>>>> 100% XP. I will have one of the best Windows machines around. No
>>>>> joy implied.
>>>>>
>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
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>>>>> --
>>>>> Keith Putnam
>>>>> Stanley Associates
>>>>> Software Engineering Directorate
>>>>> Redstone Arsenal
>>>>> 256-876-0363
>>>>>
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