Guidelines for color safety in color management unfriendly environment
Guidelines for color safety in color management unfriendly environment
- Subject: Guidelines for color safety in color management unfriendly environment
- From: Paul Schilliger <email@hidden>
- Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 12:51:47 +0200
> - You did not confer with everyone involved about what color space
most closely match their workflow? - You didn't have matchprints or
other color proofs approved? - You did not do a presscheck? To me - it
sounds like the printer is not the problem here.
We did all these things. We discussed a workspace with this printer and
his technicians three years ago and agreed on Eurostandard Coated 20% UCR
330%. But my feeling was at the time that they did not really know what we
were talking about; and other than naming profiles, I am not a specialist
either. Some jobs were correct but others were not that good. For this last
job, they made an approval Sherpa as usual. When I saw it I said to the director
that I found it too red. He said his Sherpas were always more red than the
final prints. I am acquainted with the Fuji match prints that often have a
magenta cast, so I gave him a print from my own and he said he would check
that with his guys. They were on a tight schedule so a few days later everything
was printed. When I saw the prints, I thought "Oh my God, maybe I should
quit and spend the rest of my life looking after sheep." But then I remembered
that sheep have their own set of problems! I then compared the prints with
the files on my screen and saw that if I assigned (not converted) Eurocoated
V2 (or maybe Photoshop 5 default) instead of Eurostandard Coated 20% UCR
330% to the files, I had almost exactly the terrible look of the prints on
my screen, which made me think that the operator had interpreted the files
as Eurocoated and not as Eurostandard. The files had still the Eurostandard
profile embedded though! Which made me guess that they open the files with
"discard profiles" turned on. Unfortunately, this is almost the norm here
with most printers. But I see every day nicely printed matter even from these
printers, so there must be a way to work with them. I know they should tell
me how to do it! But they did actually and it did not work very well for
me, so I thought maybe you guys who are the specialists could help me through!
(...and not push me down the cliff, please). Before, I used to have the films
made by a specialist and bad surpises were not that many. But now with the
computer to plate technology, it is another workflow and someone has got
to adapt. I am just one small customer among hundreds and I guess I am the
one who has to adapt...
>The
only way to safeguard against the unwanted effects of no color management
at all is to force color management. End of discussion. Why would people
want to look at colors in an non-color managed way anyway in 2004?
I am 100% with you, Roger, I have let
the printer know about my disappointment, but as said
in this other post:
>Many - most - printers do not mess with managing color when sending
to plate. They will try to color manage their proofing device to something
their pressmen can hit. (That's life).
So my question remains for those of you who work with european printing
standards: What would you use in my situation? Eurocoated, Eurocoated V2
or Photoshop 5 default seem the options I have.
Maybe I should go right to the technician who opens the files at the printer
and see how he does it. My guess would be that he uses Photoshop 5 with color
management turned off.
>Use the ISO coated profiles, convert all images to this, if you are printing
sheetfed litho in Europe.
Does that include computer to plate? Are these the Eurocoated profiles or
something else?
Thanks for your help!
Paul Schilliger
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