Re: Dumb question for european prepress specialists
Re: Dumb question for european prepress specialists
- Subject: Re: Dumb question for european prepress specialists
- From: Rich Apollo <email@hidden>
- Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:16:12 -0600
hey, shouldn't one (whether one is a prepress operator or a
printer) figure out what the rules are one plays against?
Do you discuss your job with the pre-press operators or with the
salesperson? Division of labor steers that conversation somewhere
else. Maybe we're all talking to the wrong people.
does a printer sell numbers or appearance?
That is driven by the demands of the client, and those demands can be
very difficult to discern.
I tend to agree with Olaf. This is a big bone of contention. Right
now, the responsibility lies with whomever has done the CMYK
separation. When the color is not right, it is too easy for the
printer to wash his hands of it *because* he has not done the
separation. In my view, this isn't a very ethical business model as
printers should be more knowledegeable about color than their clients.
There are some pretty contradictory ideas being thrown around.
Earlier in this thread folks discussed submitting untagged CMYK
files. And should the printer be categorized as backward and
uninformed or as cunning and shifty? "Ethical business model"?
Recent GRACoL's efforts are way more than about just dot gain and PC.
Granted.
Come to think of it, Rich, I believe you are right in that both
these guys probably need different inks. And they still need to
achieve comparable colors on their press. Which says a lot about
their colorimetric aimpoints.
Current GRACoL aim points (GRACoL 6) specify that, for example, a 50%
screen of magenta at 175lpi on Grade #1 or #2 Premium Gloss Dull/
Coated paper with a solid ink density of 1.50 (dry) should measure
70%. It does not indicate what color that should be.
In my view, this isn't a very ethical business model
And most worse, they don't talk with each other before, because
none of them is shure about what he's talking about.
You know, I can see how some folks might take offense to that. If
you'd like to, we can discuss ethics ad nauseum off-list.
But, really, what goes into your selection of a printer? Do you ask
the same questions that you post here? What would steer you away from
a printer? This was Paul's thread, originally - why is he hunkering
down to develop a workflow with a printer that doesn't meet his
expectations? And would it really cost him more to deal with someone
who is more up to date? What's the cost of the problem you didn't
have? Does it come out less expensive to use the cheaper printer to
generate 3 rounds of corrections and proofs and be late on the job?
Rich Apollo
314-344-1144
email@hidden
www.prioritylitho.com
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