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- From: Taylor Armstrong <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:48:27 -0400
Our policy is that any computer on our network requires anti-virus.
Not that the cost of anti-virus licenses are anywhere NEAR $200/seat.
Taylor
On Apr 25, 2008, at 2:08 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:
Of course the PC would have to justify anti-virus software as an
additional costs too. Not something Macs need (at least not yet).
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On Apr 25, 2008, at 10:19 AM, Taylor Armstrong wrote:
Additionally, while I'm glad that the build will work well with
Thursby, does this mean an additional Thursby license required for
every OS X 10.5 build? That isn't going to win any new support
from our CIO, if we have to spend an additional cost for each and
every OS X machine we upgrade. I'm sure there are discounts for
bulk purchases, but a single license for AFC is $199. I expect our
CIO, like many others, would rather simply replace the Mac with a
Dell rather than incur an additional $200 expense.... that's about
1/3 the cost of a standard desktop Dell just for the software.
Taylor
On Apr 25, 2008, at 11:14 AM, Nees-Contractor, Al wrote:
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With all due respect to the team that has been working on the Mac
AGM,
For months now there has been the preverbal "AGM carrot" dangled
out there just out of our reach. We have been told that it is
"Coming soon" "By the end of April", well guess what? Next week is
the end of April, and we appear to be no closer to an initial AGM
release for the MAC.
As everyone can read in many of the posts, the frustration of the
Fed community is at a high level. So I believe that it is time to
"Get off the pot" and release the AGM Version 1.0 to Fed
community. Nobody is expecting perfection, on the first release, but
something is better than nothing.
L. Alan Nees
Engineering (IT) LAB Manager
NCI Information Systems, Inc
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The AGM build will include Thursby's AFC. AFC gives you single
sign on with
the CAC so you don't need a password. When you log in, you will
have
Kerberos credentials. It also handles some other things related
to securing
login using a CAC.
Paul Nelson
Thursby Software Systems, Inc.
From: "Peralta, Rex J Mr CIV USA IMCOM" <email@hidden>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:35:44 -0600
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"William G.
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I would also like to add that the AGM build has CAC usage as a
requirement
and that here at Fort Carson we are including CAC-enabled Macs as
part of
our DIACAP accreditation.
Rex Peralta
IT Project Manager
Plans, Architecture, Service and Operations Branch
Directorate of Information Management
Fort Carson
US Army
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I have no involvement in the security process, but I believe that
it goes
like this:
We are bound to the DIACAP process.
Said process requires documentation that all systems in the
DIACAP be
accredited.
Mac OS does not integrate with CAC authentication to AD, the
automated
software updates, virus updates, etc. that are involved in the
accreditation
package that is being built here.
The CIO\IAM that is responsible for the DIACAP I am on hasn't the
resources
to invest in non-MS OSes. There is a working group for Unix
variants, but,
to my knowledge they haven't developed a satisfactory path.
The CIO\IAM maintains that any accreditations outside his bundle
must be
funded by the using contract.
We can't afford to fund accreditations.
I am not allowed to ask questions of the CIO\IAM, or his
subordinates.
"Security through diversity" is a nice thought. The accreditation
process
seems to squeeze the life out of diversity.
It seems to me that people who expect to benefit from AGM must
have waivers
from the imminent accreditation and DIACAP requirement. I have
been told we
must be accredited and documented by early summer, June, I think,
or we will
not have access to the Army network.
As an aside; when the CAC requirement deadline came, non-Windows
users were
allowed to keep using passwords and told that the IA people would
help us
get to compliance.
On 4/23/08 8:52 PM, "William G. Cerniuk" <email@hidden> wrote:
Ironically www.army.mil is all Mac... on Mac OS X. It was
chosen for
its security and performance.
And the AGM for Mac is right around the corner, I am part of the
team
as is several others on this list.
Riddle me this, is there written and signed policy that
indicates you
cannot run Mac OS X? The Army's stated policy is "security
through
diversity" if I recall, LTG Boutelle, Army CIO (previous) a Mac
user.
?
Best Regards,
Wm. Cerniuk
E2E Project Manager, Innovation Program Chief Health Informatics
Office VHA Office of Information
703.594.7616
Time is Short, and the Water Rises
On Apr 23, 2008, at 2:12 PM, J. Keith Putnam wrote:
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Not to whine, I assume some of you will be interested in this.
Due to the lack of accreditation path for the Mac OS, my Mac
Pro is
being converted.
I now have a Windows XP drive, sans BootCamp, set up for CAC
authentication.
Most of my Windows apps are installed. Once I get my Mac files
transferred, I will be required to remove my Mac drives and go
100%
XP. I will have one of the best Windows machines around. No joy
implied.
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