Re: [Fed-Talk] iPhone DVT Team Jailbreaks iPhone 3G
Re: [Fed-Talk] iPhone DVT Team Jailbreaks iPhone 3G
- Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] iPhone DVT Team Jailbreaks iPhone 3G
- From: Dave Schroeder <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:21:20 -0500
You disagree with what? The fact that I said the iPhone 3G can and
will be unlocked, and people can knock themselves out?
What I had a problem with was people buying the previous iPhones under
a pricing and sales structure that assumed they would be activated
with an AT&T contract, when AT&T estimates that at the end, nearly
half (!) of US iPhones sold were never activated on AT&T. We can argue
rights and legalese all day, but the previous phone also "required" an
AT&T contract.
The practice of selling phones tied to a carrier for support of
specific features and functionality, and using a contract subsidy to
offset the costs of the hardware, is a very common one. In
jurisdictions that currently require the phone to be sold without a
contract and/or unlocked, the hardware is selling for nearly US$1000.
(Then we can argue how much a company should be allowed to profit all
day long...)
Apple's desire to ensure that iPhone sales, features, and
functionality provide a good user experience (initial launch issues
notwithstanding) may outweigh individual concerns to have unlocked
phones and use local SIMs internationally. Until then, it is not
illegal to unlock handsets; nor is any vendor obligated to provide the
capability.
- Dave
On Jul 17, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Boyd Fletcher wrote:
I disagree. The ability to unlock the phone will be very useful for
people
who travel worldwide. AT&T costs outside the US are extremely high -
several
dollars per min in many locations. If you can unlock the phone, then
you can
use a different SIM (like prepaid SIMs) in those countries.
I've always thought that was a primary benefit of being able to
unlock the
phone.
The lack of a formal ability to unlock the iPhone is the primary
reason I
will never buy one. Hopefully, Congress will outlaw the practice of
binding
a phone to a cell phone vendor. Many countries in Europe already
have laws
in place that require phones to be sold unlocked (though the phone
cost
maybe higher if you want this capability).
boyd
On 7/17/08 10:05 AM, "Dave Schroeder" <email@hidden> wrote:
On Jul 17, 2008, at 8:46 AM, Timothy J Miller wrote:
On Jul 16, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Dave Schroeder wrote:
This DOES NOT mean that the phone is unlocked. This is hardware
related, and, frankly, the 3G hardware probably will be unlocked as
well.
Incorrect tense:
http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/5876
Now, a *software* SIM unlock--that's still days away. :)
Unlocks that require hardware don't really count for most. ;-)
But yes: the iPhone 3G, like every other GSM handset, will be
unlocked.
However, now it matters much less since every iPhone 3G leaving a
store will either have:
1. A full contract, or
2. An unsubsidized price (which, yes, is more than even the old
iPhone
pricing).
This means that both Apple and the carrier don't get screwed, so
people who still think they're somehow "pulling one over" on Apple by
unlocking the iPhone 3G can knock themselves out.
- Dave
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