ENOUGH! [Fed-Talk] Re: iPhone DVT Team Jailbreaks iPhone 3G
ENOUGH! [Fed-Talk] Re: iPhone DVT Team Jailbreaks iPhone 3G
- Subject: ENOUGH! [Fed-Talk] Re: iPhone DVT Team Jailbreaks iPhone 3G
- From: "Coradeschi, Tom CIV USA AMC" <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:45:29 -0400
- Thread-topic: ENOUGH! [Fed-Talk] Re: iPhone DVT Team Jailbreaks iPhone 3G
"Fed-Talk is an unmoderated discussion list to discuss the uses of
existing Apple technologies within, and specific to the Federal
government."
I think that this thread has gone pretty far astray from the goal noted
above, don't you?
Tom Coradeschi
Deputy PM Close Combat Systems (Actg)
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Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 3:21 PM
To: email@hidden
Subject: [Fed-Talk] Re: iPhone DVT Team Jailbreaks iPhone 3G
Now you lost me. How can legislation to limit what a person that pays
for a
phone can do with it increases consumer choice? You mean it encourages
OEM
to provide more higher priced choices since the consumer has no other
choice
right? Subsidized prizes normally include a contract an legislation is
not
needed to have that choice. Did I miss something?
> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:46:21 -0400
> From: "Fletcher, Boyd C. CIV US USJFCOM JFL J9935"
> <email@hidden>
> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] iPhone DVT Team Jailbreaks iPhone 3G
> To: "Dave Schroeder" <email@hidden>
> Cc: email@hidden, "Andy Kim, U.S. Senate"
> <email@hidden>
> Message-ID: <C4A50BBE.8EBE%email@hidden>
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>
> your email and some others gave the impression that unlocking was just
to
> screw apple/at&t and I disagreed with that.
>
> I know unlocking is legal, however Congress should make the it illegal
to
> provide phones that can not be unlocked. in a ideal situation the
vendor
> could sell a locked phone at a subsidized price and an unlocked phone
at a
> different price. Currently with the iphone you have no choice in the
US.
> However you will in some parts of Europe so I suspect the market for
> officially unlocked w/o contract phones from europe is going to be
> significant which is probably good news for eBay.
>
> The current approach of selling iphones is draconian and is not in the
best
> interest of consumers. Consumers should have a choice.
>
> boyd
>
>
>
> On 7/17/08 12:21 PM, "Dave Schroeder" <email@hidden> wrote:
>
>> You disagree with what? The fact that I said the iPhone 3G can and
>> will be unlocked, and people can knock themselves out?
>>
>> What I had a problem with was people buying the previous iPhones
under
>> a pricing and sales structure that assumed they would be activated
>> with an AT&T contract, when AT&T estimates that at the end, nearly
>> half (!) of US iPhones sold were never activated on AT&T. We can
argue
>> rights and legalese all day, but the previous phone also "required"
an
>> AT&T contract.
>>
>> The practice of selling phones tied to a carrier for support of
>> specific features and functionality, and using a contract subsidy to
>> offset the costs of the hardware, is a very common one. In
>> jurisdictions that currently require the phone to be sold without a
>> contract and/or unlocked, the hardware is selling for nearly US$1000.
>> (Then we can argue how much a company should be allowed to profit all
>> day long...)
>>
>> Apple's desire to ensure that iPhone sales, features, and
>> functionality provide a good user experience (initial launch issues
>> notwithstanding) may outweigh individual concerns to have unlocked
>> phones and use local SIMs internationally. Until then, it is not
>> illegal to unlock handsets; nor is any vendor obligated to provide
the
>> capability.
>>
>> - Dave
>>
>> On Jul 17, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Boyd Fletcher wrote:
>>
>>>> I disagree. The ability to unlock the phone will be very useful for
>>>> people
>>>> who travel worldwide. AT&T costs outside the US are extremely high
-
>>>> several
>>>> dollars per min in many locations. If you can unlock the phone,
then
>>>> you can
>>>> use a different SIM (like prepaid SIMs) in those countries.
>>>>
>>>> I've always thought that was a primary benefit of being able to
>>>> unlock the
>>>> phone.
>>>>
>>>> The lack of a formal ability to unlock the iPhone is the primary
>>>> reason I
>>>> will never buy one. Hopefully, Congress will outlaw the practice of
>>>> binding
>>>> a phone to a cell phone vendor. Many countries in Europe already
>>>> have laws
>>>> in place that require phones to be sold unlocked (though the phone
>>>> cost
>>>> maybe higher if you want this capability).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> boyd
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/17/08 10:05 AM, "Dave Schroeder" <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 17, 2008, at 8:46 AM, Timothy J Miller wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Dave Schroeder wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This DOES NOT mean that the phone is unlocked. This is
hardware
>>>>>>>>>> related, and, frankly, the 3G hardware probably will be
unlocked as
>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Incorrect tense:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/5876
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, a *software* SIM unlock--that's still days away. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unlocks that require hardware don't really count for most. ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But yes: the iPhone 3G, like every other GSM handset, will be
>>>>>> unlocked.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, now it matters much less since every iPhone 3G leaving a
>>>>>> store will either have:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. A full contract, or
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. An unsubsidized price (which, yes, is more than even the old
>>>>>> iPhone
>>>>>> pricing).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This means that both Apple and the carrier don't get screwed, so
>>>>>> people who still think they're somehow "pulling one over" on
Apple by
>>>>>> unlocking the iPhone 3G can knock themselves out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Dave
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