Re: [Fed-Talk] Cell Broadband Testing NE1? [was Re: Verizon iPhone]
Re: [Fed-Talk] Cell Broadband Testing NE1? [was Re: Verizon iPhone]
- Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Cell Broadband Testing NE1? [was Re: Verizon iPhone]
- From: "Pike, Michael (IHS/HQ)" <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:06:59 -0400
- Acceptlanguage: en-US
- Thread-topic: [Fed-Talk] Cell Broadband Testing NE1? [was Re: Verizon iPhone]
Count me in... believe it or not, Verizon is the fastest in ABQ, followed by Sprint, and ATT is the worst (and I know technically they can be the fastest, but here they arent).. i have all carriers so count me in if you go forward with this.
Mike
On Aug 2, 2010, at 4:27 PM, Wm. Cerniuk wrote:
> Thinking about it, is there a better bunch to survey the various networks? I think not!
>
> I would be interested in seeing network speed results for all those who would be willing to participate.
>
> In my mind the rules of engagement would include using the same speed test service, recording the geo-location, the device type used, the service used and the best result of three tests on a given service. A screen snapshot of the results would include the test result tied to the geolocation for IPhone/iPad/iPod but a table of results would be easier to digest.
>
> My personal opinion, this would be a valuable service we all could provide back to all of our respective agencies, especially if we tallied the test results on a quarterly basis.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> R / Wm.
>
> On Aug 2, 2010, at 17:43, "Pike, Michael (IHS/HQ)" <email@hidden> wrote:
>
>> Not in ABQ it isnt. Its awful here.
>>
>> On Aug 2, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Joel Esler wrote:
>>
>> It might not be the best, but AT&T sure is the fastest.
>>
>>
>> On Aug 2, 2010, at 5:35 PM, Wm. Cerniuk wrote:
>>
>> Does your bb have a sim card?
>>
>> Because of very limited CDMA overseas compatible with US carriers, Verizon and Sprint have taken to adding GSM radios in their phones, especially the BBs which were the main complaint for overseas travelers. They call these "Global Phones".
>> http://b2b.vzw.com/international/Global_Phone/
>>
>> Traveling in Europe (England, Ireland, Spain, France, Italy, etc), SWA (Iraq, Iran, Afganistan, etc) and most other regions, only Verizon "Global Phones" work in most cases but very small pockets of CDMA exist sometimes (green)
>> Example : http://b2b.vzw.com/international/Global_Phone/Middle_East/Afghanistan.html
>>
>> Verizon CDMA OCONUS Coverage:
>> http://b2b.vzw.com/international/Roaming/rates_coverage.html
>>
>> Cruse ships, having the same complaint from non-business travelers have taken to installing CDMA cell towers onboard and providing CDMA when 12 miles out of port. Any closer they turn their systems off to due to coastal rules. When in port in the Atlantic, like Spain, CDMA is off and only GSM from shore is available.
>> http://travel.latimes.com/articles/la-tr-insider5nov05
>>
>> Interestingly, China, one of the few overseas countries to have have a large CDMA infrastructure but uses a variant of CDMA. I have heard it is not compatible with US CDMA but I have not researched.
>>
>> All that not withstanding, CDMA cannot handle the demand of modern data hungry customers. CDMA for example cannot handle simple voice and data service simultaneously (talk on phone, search email or web to discuss issue). While HSDPA on GSM runs as high as 7.2Mb without hardware modification as "3G", Sprint has had to adopt WiMax as their 4G strategy and it is frequently slower than AT&T's common 1.9Mb/s 3G base service. 4G as compared to CDMA 3G is an improvement but it is not up to GSM 3G capability. (I have both). I have had a measured 2.8Mb/s while using an iPhone tethered to a Mac. I cannot get anywhere near that with Sprint 4G service regardless of how much they brag. Verizon rarely gets up to 1.5Mb/s on 3G on the nice white USB units.
>>
>> Ref:
>> "FiveSpot," a "global ready" mobile WiFi hotspot (GSM radio added for overseas)
>> http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/verizon-fivespot-cdma-gsm-mobile-wifi-hotspot-leaks-out/
>>
>>
>> R / Wm.
>>
>> On Jul 31, 2010, at 5:34, "Kim, Andy (Gregg)" <email@hidden> wrote:
>>
>> The CDMA Smartphone / BB is NOT limited to US only, My staff and I have travel to overseas w/ Verizon BB and AT&T Bold BB that CDMA has a better international coverage. Moreover my AT&T 9700 Blackberry is running EDGE speed of connection on most of time at U.S. Capitol.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Andy
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kim, Andy (Gregg)
>> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 5:10 AM
>> To: 'Wm. Cerniuk'; Villano, Paul Mr CIV USA TRADOC; Kim, Andy (Gregg)
>> Cc: email@hidden
>> Subject: RE: [Fed-Talk] Re: Verizon iPhone
>>
>> Talks between Apple and T-Mobile (GSM, not CDMA) are at an advanced stage, the source says. "Cult of Mac" says its "80% likely" that an iPhone will be coming to T-Mobile in the third quarter of 2010.
>>
>> http://www.cultofmac.com/iphone-is-coming-to-t-mobile-usa-in-q3-exclusive/39870
>>
>> T-Mobile's parent company (Deutsche Telekom), which carries the iPhone in Germany, was able to influence, the source said.
>>
>> T-Mobile USA is the fourth-largest U.S. carrier with 33.7 million customers. T-Mobile would appear to be the logical choice as both AT&T and T-Mobile currently operate GSM wireless networks. In fact, unlocked iPhone can currently run on T-Mobile's network albeit without 3G speeds (iPhones have to fall back to EDGE [ i.e.Peak bit-rates of up to 1Mbit/s and typical bit-rates of 400kbit/s can be expected] when operating on T-Mobile).
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Andy Kim
>> Dir of I T
>> U.S. Senator Judd Gregg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fed-talk-bounces+andy_kim=email@hidden [mailto:fed-talk-bounces+andy_kim=email@hidden] On Behalf Of Wm. Cerniuk
>> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:13 PM
>> To: Villano, Paul Mr CIV USA TRADOC
>> Cc: email@hidden
>> Subject: [Fed-Talk] Re: Verizon iPhone
>>
>> The issue with Verizon is largely the use of closed technology. A verizon phone can only ever be a verizon phone. Sprint, same.
>>
>> GSM phones are more like computers and Ethernet in that they are an agreed upon standard not particular to any carrier. Apple, Sony, Nokia, etc makes one phone and it covers the world with GSM. Verizon and sprint CDMA phones are only good in the US.
>>
>> V/R,
>> Wm.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 30, 2010, at 3:28 PM, "Villano, Paul Mr CIV USA TRADOC" <email@hidden> wrote:
>>
>> I'm glad you mention TMobile because that was another question I had. Whenever I hear folks discussing changing carriers from AT&T for a future Iphone I always hear them talk about Verizon. Yet the only company I heard that is working on actually getting the Iphone is Tmobile. Is that because Verizon can't or won't support the hardware and bandwidth? Can both carriers support the hardware and bandwidth? What, if anything, does all this mean for the Army using Iphones in the future?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Wm. Cerniuk" <email@hidden>
>> Date: Friday, July 30, 2010 15:05
>> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Re: US Gov't Makes Jailbreaking Legal
>> To: "Miller, Timothy J." <email@hidden>
>> Cc: "email@hidden" <email@hidden>, "IT2 Stuart Blake Tener, USNR" <email@hidden>
>>
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Are you working under the premise that Jailbreaking = Carrier
>> Unlocking? Jailbreaking is simply to open the storage system up
>> for modification. It is to allow the user to modify files, load
>> files, etc.
>>
>> In order to perform a carrier unlock (aka switch from AT&T to
>> Tmobile) the phone must have it's baseband firmware presences
>> adjusted to talk to the new carrier. Different animal entirely.
>> Might be illegal, don't know but the iPad offers this from the
>> user interface.
>>
>> The interesting part of the discussion is the definition of
>> modification. Every time a user loads a piece of software on the
>> device, it is modifying the device. Jailbreaking the device is
>> tantamount to what Apple does when iTunes talks to the device...
>> Accessing the file system, making mods.
>>
>> It is an interesting quandary. When does the device stop being a
>> phone and become a palmtop? Is an iPad a phone? I would argue that
>> the iPad is just as much a phone as the iPhone :-) or not... and
>> then when do the FCC rules stated below no longer apply?
>>
>> R / Wm.
>>
>> On Jul 30, 2010, at 9:42, "Miller, Timothy J." < wrote:
>>
>> IIRC these are not criminal code violations, but civil code violations. Different.
>>
>> -- Tim
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fed-talk-bounces+tmiller=email@hidden [mailto:fed-
>> talk-bounces+tmiller=email@hidden] On Behalf Of IT2 Stuart
>> Blake Tener, USNR
>> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:52 PM
>> To: email@hidden
>> Subject: [Fed-Talk] Re: US Gov't Makes Jailbreaking Legal
>>
>> List members,
>>
>> Please take notice that I represent only my own views here, and not
>> those of the US Navy Reserve, my civilian employer, or anyone I have
>> ever worked for.
>>
>> It really does not matter what the Library of Congress has to say
>> relative to the DMCA regarding fair use, or what Apple's EULA says
>> either, jailbraking is absolutely criminally illegal anyway, at least
>> within the US.
>>
>> Huh? How???
>>
>> Let us all remember that the iPhone is a communications device, and
>> thus, as such, subject to type acceptance pursuant under FCC rules
>> (the FCC also being a legislative creation at the pleasure of Congress).
>>
>> My understanding is that it is illegal (relative to mobile phone and
>> other FCC controlled communication services) to modify a type accepted
>> device for use (even within the same communications service) without
>> having it submitted for type acceptance again by the FCC (granted, as
>> an Amateur Radio Operator there are certain devices I can modify and
>> not require them to be type accepted again prior to usage, but those
>> are all devices within the Amateur Service).
>>
>> Changing the software within a type accepted device asserts a level of
>> modification so significant that I am quite sure the FCC would impel
>> the device to be type accepted again (absent perhaps an FCC waiver
>> based on a disclosure of how minor the software changes might be). I
>> am reasonably sure that no jailbroken phone has ever been submitted to
>> an FCC type acceptance lab of competent authority for approval. Thus,
>> if you jailbrake your phone, you are already doing something illegal
>> to start with the moment you turn it on thereafter.
>>
>>
>> Very Respectfully,
>>
>>
>> Stuart B. Tener, IT2, USNR
>> Computer Scientist, IBM
>>
>>
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