Re: [Fed-Talk] Re: US Gov't Makes Jailbreaking Legal
Re: [Fed-Talk] Re: US Gov't Makes Jailbreaking Legal
- Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Re: US Gov't Makes Jailbreaking Legal
- From: "Kim, Andy (Gregg)" <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:52:52 -0400
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- Thread-topic: [Fed-Talk] Re: US Gov't Makes Jailbreaking Legal
Talks between Apple and T-Mobile (GSM, not CDMA) are at an advanced stage, the source says. "Cult of Mac" says its "80% likely" that an iPhone will be coming to T-Mobile in the third quarter of 2010.
http://www.cultofmac.com/iphone-is-coming-to-t-mobile-usa-in-q3-exclusive/39870 T-Mobile’s parent company (Deutsche Telekom), which carries the iPhone in Germany, was able to influence, the source said.
T-Mobile USA is the fourth-largest U.S. carrier with 33.7 million customers.
T-Mobile would appear to be the logical choice as both AT&T and T-Mobile currently operate GSM wireless networks. In fact, unlocked iPhone can currently run on T-Mobile's network albeit without 3G speeds (iPhones have to fall back to EDGE when operating on T-Mobile).
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Andy Kim
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Andrew Kim
U.S. Senator Judd Gregg
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To: 'Villano, Paul Mr CIV USA TRADOC' <email@hidden>; email@hidden <email@hidden>
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Subject: RE: [Fed-Talk] Re: US Gov't Makes Jailbreaking Legal
They talk about Verizon because that means a CDMA iPhone. The iPhone is a GSM handset. T-Mobile and AT&T are the only US GSM carriers.
-- Tim
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>talk-bounces+tmiller=email@hidden] On Behalf Of Villano,
>Paul Mr CIV USA TRADOC
>Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 2:29 PM
>To: email@hidden
>Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Re: US Gov't Makes Jailbreaking Legal
>
>I'm glad you mention TMobile because that was another question I had.
>Whenever I hear folks discussing changing carriers from AT&T for a
>future Iphone I always hear them talk about Verizon. Yet the only
>company I heard that is working on actually getting the Iphone is
>Tmobile. Is that because Verizon can't or won't support the hardware
>and bandwidth? Can both carriers support the hardware and bandwidth?
>What, if anything, does all this mean for the Army using Iphones in the
>future?
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Wm. Cerniuk" <email@hidden>
>Date: Friday, July 30, 2010 15:05
>Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Re: US Gov't Makes Jailbreaking Legal
>To: "Miller, Timothy J." <email@hidden>
>Cc: "email@hidden" <email@hidden>, "IT2 Stuart
>Blake Tener, USNR" <email@hidden>
>
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Are you working under the premise that Jailbreaking = Carrier
>> Unlocking? Jailbreaking is simply to open the storage system up
>> for modification. It is to allow the user to modify files, load
>> files, etc.
>>
>> In order to perform a carrier unlock (aka switch from AT&T to
>> Tmobile) the phone must have it's baseband firmware presences
>> adjusted to talk to the new carrier. Different animal entirely.
>> Might be illegal, don't know but the iPad offers this from the
>> user interface.
>>
>> The interesting part of the discussion is the definition of
>> modification. Every time a user loads a piece of software on the
>> device, it is modifying the device. Jailbreaking the device is
>> tantamount to what Apple does when iTunes talks to the device...
>> Accessing the file system, making mods.
>>
>> It is an interesting quandary. When does the device stop being a
>> phone and become a palmtop? Is an iPad a phone? I would argue that
>> the iPad is just as much a phone as the iPhone :-) or not... and
>> then when do the FCC rules stated below no longer apply?
>>
>> R / Wm.
>>
>> On Jul 30, 2010, at 9:42, "Miller, Timothy J." < wrote:
>>
>> > IIRC these are not criminal code violations, but civil code
>violations. Different.
>> >
>> > -- Tim
>> >
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: fed-talk-bounces+tmiller=email@hidden
>[mailto:fed-
>> >> talk-bounces+tmiller=email@hidden] On Behalf Of IT2
>Stuart
>> >> Blake Tener, USNR
>> >> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:52 PM
>> >> To: email@hidden
>> >> Subject: [Fed-Talk] Re: US Gov't Makes Jailbreaking Legal
>> >>
>> >> List members,
>> >>
>> >> Please take notice that I represent only my own views here, and not
>> >> those of the US Navy Reserve, my civilian employer, or anyone I
>have
>> >> ever worked for.
>> >>
>> >> It really does not matter what the Library of Congress has to say
>> >> relative to the DMCA regarding fair use, or what Apple's EULA says
>> >> either, jailbraking is absolutely criminally illegal anyway, at
>least
>> >> within the US.
>> >>
>> >> Huh? How???
>> >>
>> >> Let us all remember that the iPhone is a communications device, and
>> >> thus, as such, subject to type acceptance pursuant under FCC rules
>> >> (the FCC also being a legislative creation at the pleasure of
>Congress).
>> >>
>> >> My understanding is that it is illegal (relative to mobile phone
>and
>> >> other FCC controlled communication services) to modify a type
>accepted
>> >> device for use (even within the same communications service)
>without
>> >> having it submitted for type acceptance again by the FCC (granted,
>as
>> >> an Amateur Radio Operator there are certain devices I can modify
>and
>> >> not require them to be type accepted again prior to usage, but
>those
>> >> are all devices within the Amateur Service).
>> >>
>> >> Changing the software within a type accepted device asserts a level
>of
>> >> modification so significant that I am quite sure the FCC would
>impel
>> >> the device to be type accepted again (absent perhaps an FCC waiver
>> >> based on a disclosure of how minor the software changes might be).
>I
>> >> am reasonably sure that no jailbroken phone has ever been submitted
>to
>> >> an FCC type acceptance lab of competent authority for approval.
>Thus,
>> >> if you jailbrake your phone, you are already doing something
>illegal
>> >> to start with the moment you turn it on thereafter.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Very Respectfully,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Stuart B. Tener, IT2, USNR
>> >> Computer Scientist, IBM
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> IT2 Stuart Blake Tener, USNR, N3GWG (Extra), MROP
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>DC
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