[Fed-Talk] Support for CAC's
[Fed-Talk] Support for CAC's
- Subject: [Fed-Talk] Support for CAC's
- From: "Thomas, Christopher CIV DTIC Z" <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:58:25 -0500
- Thread-topic: Support for CAC's
Just a note, for DoD Apple Macintosh users, initial use of CAC's on Mac OS 10.6.5 shows no new issues. I have been able to get to DoDTechipedia, my org's OWA, and DKO/AKO and Defense Travel.
Christopher Thomas
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1. RE: Re: Fed-talk Digest, Vol 7, Issue 331 (Moore, Dallas T.)
2. Re: Re: Fed-talk Digest, Vol 7, Issue 331 (Dave Schroeder)
3. Re: An Open Letter to Apple on Server Technloogies
(Blackmon Jerry (Contractor))
4. RE: Xserve discontinued? (Bracy, Jason T.)
5. Re: Xserve discontinued? (Blackmon Jerry (Contractor))
6. Re: Re: Fed-talk Digest, Vol 7, Issue 331 (Nathan Points)
7. RE: Xserve discontinued? (Bracy, Jason T.)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:57:57 -0500
From: "Moore, Dallas T." <email@hidden>
Subject: RE: [Fed-Talk] Re: Fed-talk Digest, Vol 7, Issue 331
To: "Nathan Points" <email@hidden>,
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See, this is really where the heart of the problem liesâ?¦ And Nathan â?" I totally agree. Having an OS locked to one, and only one, hardware vendor is what really prohibits Appleâ?Ts entry in to any market other than the hipster consumer market.
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I agree!!! I wish OSX can run on any PC legally.
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:08:53 -0600
From: Dave Schroeder <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Re: Fed-talk Digest, Vol 7, Issue 331
To: "Moore, Dallas T." <email@hidden>
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Keep in mind, folks, that while we could endlessly debate the merits of Apple only allowing their OS to run on Apple hardware, Apple's business model is predicated on strongly tying hardware with software.
But to be clear, I am not arguing for the ability to run Mac OS X on any hardware.
First, I am making this argument for Mac OS X Server, a distinctly different product than Mac OS X (and yes, I am intimately aware that Mac OS X and Mac OS X Server are essentially the same OS; however, Mac OS X Server is a different *product*, with a different market and focus).
Second, I am not making an argument to allow any Apple OS to directly run on non-Apple hardware, but rather, to be supported in virtualization environments running on non-Apple hardware. This abstracts Apple from the complexity and variety of non-Apple/"PC" server hardware.
I am not arguing for this as a "bridge" to running Mac OS X on any hardware: that is a road Apple does not want to go down, for good reason. And allowing Mac OS X *Server* to run in non-Apple virtualization environments doesn't need to "open the floodgates", as it were, for Mac OS X. It's still mostly a license restriction, and Mac OS X and Mac OS X Server can have two distinct licenses, and pricing.
And even if some people were to see running Mac OS X Server in a VMware environment on their Dell laptop as a "back door" to legally running Mac OS X, pricing commensurate with virtualization (e.g., $999/seat) could prevent this from being an attractive alternative. Thus, even if people chose to not pay for the license and/or still chose to run Mac OS X Server in a "non-Server" environment, it would still be relegated to the hacker/hobbyist community...which is where it is right now, anyway.
- Dave
On Nov 10, 2010, at 8:57 AM, Moore, Dallas T. wrote:
> See, this is really where the heart of the problem lies. And Nathan - I totally agree. Having an OS locked to one, and only one, hardware vendor is what really prohibits Apple's entry in to any market other than the hipster consumer market.
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> v/r
> Dallas Moore
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> http://appleopenletter.com/
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> I agree!!! I wish OSX can run on any PC legally.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:25:17 -0500
From: "Blackmon Jerry (Contractor)" <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] An Open Letter to Apple on Server Technloogies
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On 11/10/10 9:03 AM, "Link, Peter R." <email@hidden> wrote:
>No, Apple can't but without enough new sales Apple doesn't want to keep
>developing and building a product that people have stopped buying. I wish
>they would but I'm trying to understand the situation from Apple's point
>of view.
>
>Actually, yes, Apple could expect installations to keep up with
>technology. They do with desktops and laptops even though we all have
>6-10 year old Macs still running. And new technology is pushing for
>faster and more powerful servers, especially server farms, to handle the
>growing amount of data being pushed around.
Apple being Apple should understand that its customers are different from
typical computer users. If the "supercomputer" VT built is still adequate
to its needs, what need does it have to buy something that's bigger,
faster, stronger and more shiny? Given the financial hurdles involved?
In this economy? I think it's unrealistic for Apple to expect servers to
turn over as fast as any other kind of device, especially in our line of
work. We work our desktops well past their prime and they still continue
to do what we ask of them, what would make servers any different?
I understand that sucks for us given what happened, but it's probably
equally as unrealistic for us to expect Apple to continue developing an
"underperforming" product line as it is for Apple to expect us to upgrade
our servers to the latest and greatest as if they were a new generation of
iPhone, IMO. The Xserve line should have been designed around the truth
that, because it's a server and Apple is not primarily a server vendor,
it's not going to be a "hot" selling product. We don't need a new one
every year. Pop the new processors in it and let's go.
I would hope most supercomputers are designed around a particular use
case(s) and not specced just to make this year's "Fortune 500"
supercomputer list. If the latter is the case, I need to have a chat with
my representatives.
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Jerry Blackmon <email@hidden>
Senior Systems Administrator
Department of Treasury
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:30:00 -0500
From: "Bracy, Jason T." <email@hidden>
Subject: RE: [Fed-Talk] Xserve discontinued?
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Well, after a few days of thinking about this I'm coming to the
conclusion that all hope is not lost (yet)...
Doesn't Apple have a history of discontinuing a product before
announcing a replacement? The Addition of both the Mac Mini Server last
year and the Mac Pro server config last week tells me that Apple hasn't
abandoned the server market all together. As far as enterprise support,
I am hopeful. I see 5 possible outcomes (in order of probability)...
1) Apple leaves it as it is today Mac Mini or Mac Pro Server,
basically abandoning the Enterprise market and focusing on the SMB/Home
Server markets
2) Apple in January announces a new enclosure design for the Mac
Pro which allows for a more modular customization, offering Enterprise
grade options such as Rack Mounts, Dual Redundant Power Supplies, LOM
compatible network interfaces etc...
3) Apple changes the EULA to allow virtualization of 10.7 Server on
non-Apple hardware
4) Apple enters into a agreement with Oracle to build an OSX Server
version of the Sun Fire Servers
5) Apple discontinues OSX Server and focuses on the Desktop/iOS
market, possibly allowing for server features to be purchased as add in
Apps for the standard OS
Personally I'm hopeful that number 2 is the actual outcome. I'd love to
have a more modular system on both the Desktop and Server level. And who
knows with the coming of Light Peak in the next 12 - 18 months Xsan may
be completely unnecessary. (Imagine RAIDs that can be connected to
multiple workstations over Light Peak at 100 Gb/sec with no need for
MetaData controllers... we can dream right)
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Jason Bracy | SAIC
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Subject: RE: [Fed-Talk] Xserve discontinued?
So we run a 60TB SAN with 4 Xserves connected 2 metadata controllers, 1
file server and one Final Cut Server. I regularly use LOM to remotely
reboot servers when necessary, and have needed to replace power
supplies.
I currently have 5 Promise RAIDs, 6 Xserves, 2 fibre switches, 2 network
switches, 3 UPS units, and a Tape Library in one 48U rack with room to
spare. With the new system I couldn't even fit the RAIDs and Xserves in
one rack!
This will not go over well next time we need/want to buy an Apple
server!
Jason
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:39:00 -0500
From: "Blackmon Jerry (Contractor)" <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Xserve discontinued?
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I've seen "January" mentioned in a lot of responses to this topic. I know where that month originally came from, but other than the person who wrote it, no other information about Apple doing anything other than counting its Christmas shillings in January.
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Jerry Blackmon <email@hidden>
Senior Systems Administrator
Department of Treasury
From: "Bracy, Jason T." <email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden>>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:30:00 -0500
To: Fed Talk <email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden>>
Subject: RE: [Fed-Talk] Xserve discontinued?
2) Apple in January announces a new enclosure design for the Mac Pro which allows for a more modular customization, offering Enterprise grade options such as Rack Mounts, Dual Redundant Power Supplies, LOM compatible network interfaces etc...
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 11:05:13 -0500
From: "Nathan Points" <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Re: Fed-talk Digest, Vol 7, Issue 331
To: "Dave Schroeder" <email@hidden>, "Dallas T. Moore"
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I felt sick after I learned about Apple pulled their Server hardware. I
work for Federal Prison Industries, Print Factory, that is controlled by
DOJ and I had to show DOJ that my Apple Network is A-OK with all of the
requirements of DOJ. Now Apple pulled their hardware out of business,
DOJ will more than likely shut me down soon and install Windows boxes.
I am very upset.
Nathan Points
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Print Factory
UNICOR - Federal Prison Industries
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 11:05:56 -0500
From: "Bracy, Jason T." <email@hidden>
Subject: RE: [Fed-Talk] Xserve discontinued?
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January is the timeline that Apple gave. They announced that the Xserve would be available until January 31st.
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Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Xserve discontinued?
I've seen "January" mentioned in a lot of responses to this topic. I know where that month originally came from, but other than the person who wrote it, no other information about Apple doing anything other than counting its Christmas shillings in January.
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Jerry Blackmon <email@hidden>
Senior Systems Administrator
Department of Treasury
From: "Bracy, Jason T." <email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden>>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:30:00 -0500
To: Fed Talk <email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden>>
Subject: RE: [Fed-Talk] Xserve discontinued?
2) Apple in January announces a new enclosure design for the Mac Pro which allows for a more modular customization, offering Enterprise grade options such as Rack Mounts, Dual Redundant Power Supplies, LOM compatible network interfaces etc...
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