Re: [Fed-Talk] Virtualization
Re: [Fed-Talk] Virtualization
- Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Virtualization
- From: Dave Schroeder <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 16:09:19 -0500
From an earlier message of mine on this topic:
Mac OS X Server 10.6.x (Snow Leopard Server):
> 2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions.
>
> A. Mac OS X Server Software. Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, you are granted a limited non-exclusive license to install and use one copy of the Mac OS X Server software (the “Mac OS X Server Software”) on a single Apple-branded computer. You may also install and use other copies of Mac OS X Server Software on the same Apple-branded computer, provided that you acquire an individual and valid license from Apple for each of these other copies of Mac OS X Server Software. You agree not to install, use or run the Apple Software on any non-Apple- branded computer, or to enable others to do so. This License does not allow the Mac OS X Server Software to run on more than one computer at a time, and, except as expressly set forth in Section 2C, you may not make the Apple Software available over a network where it could be run by multiple computers at the same time. Please note that the Apple Software is supported only on Apple-branded systems that meet the specified system requirements as indicated on the outside of the Mac OS X Server packaging. If you transfer software from one Apple-branded computer to another Apple-branded computer, please remember that continued use of the original copy of the software may be prohibited once a copy has been transferred to another computer, unless you already have a licensed copy of such software on both computers. You should check the relevant software license agreements for applicable terms and conditions.
>
> You may connect an unlimited number of client computers to each validly licensed copy of the Mac OS X Server Software.
Mac OS X 10.7.x EULA (Lion, including Lion Server):
> 2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions.
>
> A. Standard and Preinstalled Apple Software License. Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, unless you obtained the Apple Software from the Mac App Store or under a volume license, maintenance or other written agreement from Apple, you are granted a limited, non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-branded computer at any one time. For example, these standard single-copy license terms apply to you if you obtained the Apple Software preinstalled on Apple-branded hardware.
>
> B. License from the Mac App Store. If you obtained a license for the Apple Software from the Mac App Store, then subject to the terms and conditions of this License and as permitted by the Mac App Store Usage Rules set forth in the App Store Terms and Conditions (http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/ww/) ("Usage Rules"), you are granted a limited, non-transferable, non-exclusive license:
>
> (i) to download, install, use, and run for personal, non-commercial use, one (1) copy of the Apple Software directly on each Apple-branded computer running Mac OS X Snow Leopard or Mac OS X Snow Leopard Server ("Mac Computer") that you own or control;
>
> (ii) If you are a commercial enterprise or educational institution, to download, install, use, and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software for use either: (a) by a single individual on each of the Mac Computer(s) that you own or control, or (b) by multiple individuals on a single shared Mac Computer that you own or control. For example, a single employee may use the Apple Software on both the employee's desktop Mac Computer and laptop Mac Computer, or multiple students may serially use the Apple Software on a single Mac Computer located at a resource center or library; and
>
> (iii) to install, use and run up to two (2) additional copies of the Apple Software within virtual operating system environments on each Mac Computer you own or control that is already running the Apple Software.
>
> The grant set forth in Section 2B(iii) above does not permit you to use the virtualized copies or instances of the Apple Software in connection with service bureau, time-sharing, terminal sharing or other similar types of services.
Apple's manager for server products directly and explicitly told us at WWDC that the virtualization limit is PER MACHINE, and that Apple was ambivalent to hypervisor solutions. This means acceptable scenarios are:
1. A Mac running Lion/Lion Server natively, with two (2) additional virtual instances of Lion/Lion Server, or
2. A Mac running a hypervisor solution with a total of three (3) copies of Lion/Lion Server running.
This does NOT mean you can simply "purchase more licenses" and run 2 virtual instances per license on a single machine. This is a limit PER MACHINE, and your Apple channel will be able to verify this for you.
Note also the restriction on "service bureau, time-sharing, terminal sharing or other similar types of services".
So now Lion (non-Server) can be virtualized, and this is obviously good news for testers, developers, IT admins, hobbyists, etc., but bad news for server virtualization. At WWDC Apple had not yet decided on the limit of virtual instances per machine, but said explicitly that it would be finite. I didn't imagine it would be *two*, but it appears that's where we're at.
If you still don't believe this is a limit per machine, I encourage you to reach out to your Apple channel.
(Even if you don't believe it or find others willing to have a charitable interoperation, no other vendor will base enterprise solutions around this, given the license and other restrictions. This means things like Apple support in vSphere are likely at the end of the line. Again, VMware was just as surprised as anyone when Apple killed the Xserve, and there was no strategic alignment between VMware and Apple on this situation.)
- Dave
On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:05 PM, Link, Peter R. wrote:
> Dan,
> Reading a little closer, this virtualization is really just for private users since you can't use virtualized copies or instances is you're a service bureau or any other similar installation that provides services to others. I see this as including most of the uses people have been talking about. It does appear to say we don't have to purchase additional licensed copies but can use copies of the same version up to the limits defined elsewhere (five? or ten?).
> I'd love for Apple to prove me wrong on this interpretation for those people who want to do this.
>
>
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Dan O'Donnell wrote:
>
>> Looks like virtualization is for 10.7 only. (OSXS is allowed to be
>> virtualized in earlier versions.) Story is here:
>> <http://www.afp548.com/article.php?story=lion-eula>
>>
>>
>>
>> Take a look at Section 2,B,iii:
>>
>> (iii) to install, use and run up to two (2) additional copies or instances
>> of the Apple Software within virtual operating system environments on each
>> Mac Computer you own or control that is already running the Apple Software.
>> The grant set forth in Section 2B(iii) above does not permit you to use the
>> virtualized copies or instances of the Apple Software in connection with
>> service bureau, time-sharing, terminal sharing or other similar types of
>> services.
>>
>> Ah ha! This allows us to run up to two additional copies of OS X Lion or OS
>> X Lion Server on each install of Lion that we already have on Mac hardware.
>> Once the VM vendors update for Lion we can finally use OS X client in a VM!
>>
>> Section 2,H is far less fun:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/20/11 1:44 PM, "Walls, Bryan K. (MSFC-EO50)" <email@hidden>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've heard that the Lion license allows you to run virtual copies of Lion on
>>> the same machine. I don't guess the license change was retroactive, was it?
>>> Sure would be nice to be able to upgrade to Lion, and run a VM of Snow Leopard
>>> for all the PowerPC apps, like Quicken.
>>>
>>> Bryan Walls
>>> email@hidden
>>> 256-544-3311
>>>
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