Re: [Fed-Talk] Patching iLife in enterprise
Re: [Fed-Talk] Patching iLife in enterprise
- Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Patching iLife in enterprise
- From: "Blackmon Jerry (Contractor)" <email@hidden>
- Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:38:44 -0400
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- Thread-topic: [Fed-Talk] Patching iLife in enterprise
Exactly. The Mac continues to grow like gangbusters practically everywhere. Tim's a former Compaq guy, if I'm not mistaken. If anyone should know the potential of enterprise, it's him. I could understand Steve's desire not to have Apple turn into a staid, neo mainframe company like Microsoft's evolving into, but MS doesn't have a thriving consumer side like Apple. The company can't do both? I think the iPad is going to force them to deal seriously with enterprise whether they want to or not. Consumers are buying those devices, yes, but so are businesses.
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From: "Lawlin, David C CIV NAWCAD, 5.4.1.2" <email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden>>
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:31:16 -0400
To: Blackmon Jerry <email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden>>, Mac Federal <email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden>>
Subject: RE: [Fed-Talk] Patching iLife in enterprise
Wonder what their business model was/could be for such a change.
Did Steve really not include or factor in the enterprise in his?
Is there a case for the enterprise in Tims's?
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I continue to believe this is a MAJOR opportunity for a third party to come in and make a mint, but Tim Cook's Apple is not Steve Jobs' Apple. Perhaps now is the time for us to mount a concerted effort to compel Apple to change course.
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From: "Marcus, Allan B" <email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden><mailto:email@hidden>>
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:14:05 -0400
To: "email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden><mailto:email@hidden>" <email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden><mailto:email@hidden>>
Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Patching iLife in enterprise
I'll restate. Apple doesn't do Mac design (at all, it appears) with the enterprise in mind.
Ditto what Derek and Jeffrey said. I'm not talking about interop with Windows. I'm talking about the ability to manage thousands of Macs. Simple stuff like imaging new machines. I can understand how that can be complicated on Windows, but Apple owns the hardware and the software. How hard is it to have a universal image?
Also, no server hardware? OK, fine. Let OS X server run on other enterprise grade server hardware. How hard is that? Just charge us for us. I'd pay $500, possibly even $1000 per license.
I could go on, but I'm preaschin' to choir here.
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From: "Link, Peter R." <email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden><mailto:email@hidden>>
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 07:01:55 -0700
To: "email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden><mailto:email@hidden>" <email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden><mailto:email@hidden>>
Cc: Allan Marcus <email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden><mailto:email@hidden>>, "email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden><mailto:email@hidden>" <email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden><mailto:email@hidden>>
Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Patching iLife in enterprise
Let's look at this issue a little differently. Apple doesn't hate the enterprise, they're just agnostic towards it. Apple produces hardware and software products for "people" without regard to who they are or where they work. If you want to call these people "consumers," that fine.
When people talk about the enterprise, what they are really saying is compatibility with an ancient Windows infrastructure. Apple is not required to adapt of convert their products to work in this infrastructure. Does this mean these same "consumers" have to magically transform into a different person, maybe some kind of robot, who is programmed to do things one way with one type of equipment? Maybe, just look at assembly line workers. Of course these people are being replaced by robots because they don't need to take coffee breaks.
What I see happening is consumer infiltration into the robot enterprise world, attempting to bring back creativity to the historically rigid, single-minded (Windows) enterprise anti-world. The government installations fit into this model perfectly. Line up a gazillion Windows PCs with 15" CRT monitors all configured exactly the same with people performing exactly the same task or sequential tasks and you have the "perfect" government installation. Someone takes a day off and you're covered, no problem.
This isn't Apple's idea of the world and I hope the infiltration of Apple products will help change the iRobot-Windows-enterprise world into something real people can be a part of instead of just being a tool.
Have a good weekend, enjoy life, have fun upgrading your Mac and iOS devices to iCloud.
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consumer; a person who purchases goods and services for personal use.
On Oct 14, 2011, at 5:55 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Marcus, Allan B <email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden><mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:
Can't. Apple hates the enterprise. Shawn doesn't (we like Shawn), but someone in Apple that makes decisions doesn't care. Apple has no internal IT management of computers, so I don't think they think anyone else needs that. Self-service.
I've been told Apple is a consumer hardware company. Any Enterprise support is purely co-incidental ;)
Jeff
On 10/13/11 10:51 AM, "Kendall, Timothy P." <email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden><mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:
All,
In Apple Knowledge base article:
http://support.apple.com/kb/PH2509?viewlocale=en_US
There is this line:
If you purchased iPhoto in the Mac App Store, or if iPhoto was preinstalled on your computer along with Mac OS X v10.7 Lion or later, updates don¹t appear in Software Update. Check for updates in the Mac App Store.
How people getting around this on deploying new Macs?
Thank you, Tim
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Full text of Apple Knowledge base article:
By default, iPhoto automatically notifies you when software updates are available.
If you purchased iPhoto in the Mac App Store, or if iPhoto was preinstalled on your computer along with Mac OS X v10.7 Lion or later, an update notification is displayed on the App Store icon in the Dock.
If you installed iPhoto from the iLife ¹11 DVD, or if iPhoto was preinstalled on your computer along with Mac OS X v10.6.8 Snow Leopard or earlier, iPhoto periodically checks for updates when you open iPhoto and notifies you if an update is available. If you don¹t want iPhoto to automatically check for updates, you can turn off automatic notifications in iPhoto preferences.
You can also check for updates manually.
To check for updates manually in the Mac App Store (if you purchased iPhoto in the Mac App Store, or if iPhoto and Mac OS X v10.7 Lion or later were preinstalled):
Open the Mac App Store and click Updates in the toolbar.
If an iPhoto update is available, it appears in the Mac App Store window.
To check for updates manually using Software Update (if you installed iPhoto from the iLife ¹11 DVD, or if iPhoto and Mac OS X v10.6.8 Snow Leopard or earlier were preinstalled):
Choose Apple Menu > Software Update.
If an iPhoto update is available, it appears in the Software Update window.
If you purchased iPhoto in the Mac App Store, or if iPhoto was preinstalled on your computer along with Mac OS X v10.7 Lion or later, updates don¹t appear in Software Update. Check for updates in the Mac App Store.
To turn off automatic notifications (if you installed iPhoto from the iLife ¹11 DVD, or if iPhoto and Mac OS X v10.6.8 Snow Leopard or earlier were preinstalled):
1. In iPhoto, choose iPhoto > Preferences, and then click General.
2. Deselect ³Check for iPhoto updates automatically.² _______________________________________________
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