Thanks Pete.
I know what Charles is doing. He and I talked extensively last NLIT. I know he doesn't like what LANL is doing with Puppet, but I think LANL and LLNL are about even with Mac management. If I had money to spend I would get Casper or Absolute, but LANL is
spending all it's money on Exchange and VMWare. I've got 2500 Mac under management with Puppet.
By the way, LANL currently has 449 Apple servers throughout the organization.
As for Apple servers and server OS, i'm giving up. The Apple Software Update Service was the last OS X service I was using, and it's so darned unreliable that we are testing and will probably switch to reposado and linux for our Apple Update Server.
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Allan Marcus
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Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 08:27:50 -0700
Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Patching iLife in enterprise
Allan, I understand your concern and you know my views on the subject but how many OSX servers would LANL purchase? 10? 20? Which areas could justify buying them? Would your supercomputer center
build a cluster based on Mac hardware? I believe ours built a small one years ago but I haven't seen anything since. If you need the functionality OSXServer gives you (NetBoot, Profile Manager, Open Directory, etc.), this can be done on non-server hardware.
I know all the IT people will say they can't put a non-server into the server room but think about who's making that statement. It's the server people who's job depends on them baby-sitting those servers.
When was the last time your Mac-anything had a power supply problem? When did a disk die (probably more often that the power supply dying). I hate to think about using a Mac mini as a server but
it's just as powerful as the last XServe that Apple released. Use Thunderbolt for connections to RAIDs or a FC adapter to FC RAIDS or Xsan. It all depends on what you want that server to do. I checked with Dean Dauger,
http://daugerresearch.com/index.shtml, once Thunderbolt was announced and he's ready to adapt Pooch if you can use TB for networking. Since the new Cinema Display includes an ethernet port I would think it's
possible.
As far as running OSXServer virtualized on other hardware, fine, but why pay $500 when the majority of that software is open source? Which OSXServer software is critical to your Mac users? Could
that be included within Lion client and run clusters of Macs instead of depending on old-style server farms? Just a thought.
As far as patching and configuration software, give Charles or Daniel a call and see what we use.
On Oct 17, 2011, at 7:14 AM, Marcus, Allan B wrote:
I'll restate. Apple doesn't do Mac design (at all, it appears) with the enterprise in mind.
Ditto what Derek and Jeffrey said. I'm not talking about interop with Windows. I'm talking about the ability to manage thousands of Macs. Simple stuff like imaging new machines. I can understand how that can be complicated on Windows, but Apple owns the
hardware and the software. How hard is it to have a universal image?
Also, no server hardware? OK, fine. Let OS X server run on other enterprise grade server hardware. How hard is that? Just charge us for us. I'd pay $500, possibly even $1000 per license.
I could go on, but I'm preaschin' to choir here.
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Allan Marcus
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Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 07:01:55 -0700
Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Patching iLife in enterprise
Let's look at this issue a little differently. Apple doesn't hate the enterprise, they're just agnostic towards it. Apple produces hardware and software products for "people" without regard to who they are or where they work. If you want to call these
people
"consumers," that fine.
When people talk about the enterprise, what they are really saying is compatibility with an ancient Windows infrastructure. Apple is not required to adapt of convert their products to work in this infrastructure. Does this mean these same "consumers" have
to magically transform into a different person, maybe some kind of robot, who is programmed to do things one way with one type of equipment? Maybe, just look at assembly line workers. Of course these people are being replaced by robots because they don't
need
to take coffee breaks.
What I see happening is consumer infiltration into the robot enterprise world, attempting to bring back creativity to the historically rigid, single-minded (Windows) enterprise anti-world. The government installations fit into this model perfectly. Line
up a gazillion Windows PCs with 15" CRT monitors all configured exactly the same with people performing exactly the same task or sequential tasks and you have the "perfect" government installation. Someone takes a day off and you're covered, no problem.
This isn't Apple's idea of the world and I hope the infiltration of Apple products will help change the iRobot-Windows-enterprise world into something real people can be a part of instead of just being a tool.
Have a good weekend, enjoy life, have fun upgrading your Mac and iOS devices to iCloud.
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consumer; a person who purchases goods and services for personal use.
On Oct 14, 2011, at 5:55 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Marcus, Allan B < email@hidden> wrote:
Can't. Apple hates the enterprise. Shawn doesn't (we like Shawn), but
someone in Apple that makes decisions doesn't care. Apple has no internal
IT management of computers, so I don't think they think anyone else needs
that. Self-service.
I've been told Apple is a consumer hardware company. Any Enterprise
support is purely co-incidental ;)
Jeff
On 10/13/11 10:51 AM, "Kendall, Timothy P." < email@hidden> wrote:
All,
In Apple Knowledge base article:
There is this line:
If you purchased iPhoto in the Mac App Store, or if iPhoto was
preinstalled on your computer along with Mac OS X v10.7 Lion or later,
updates don¹t appear in Software Update. Check for updates in the Mac App
Store.
How people getting around this on deploying new Macs?
Thank you, Tim
Tim Kendall
System Administrator
Materials Science Division (MSD)
Argonne National Laboratory
work 630-252-6689
Full text of Apple Knowledge base article:
By default, iPhoto automatically notifies you when software updates are
available.
If you purchased iPhoto in the Mac App Store, or if iPhoto was
preinstalled on your computer along with Mac OS X v10.7 Lion or later, an
update notification is displayed on the App Store icon in the Dock.
If you installed iPhoto from the iLife ¹11 DVD, or if iPhoto was
preinstalled on your computer along with Mac OS X v10.6.8 Snow Leopard or
earlier, iPhoto periodically checks for updates when you open iPhoto and
notifies you if an update is available. If you don¹t want iPhoto to
automatically check for updates, you can turn off automatic notifications
in iPhoto preferences.
You can also check for updates manually.
To check for updates manually in the Mac App Store (if you purchased
iPhoto in the Mac App Store, or if iPhoto and Mac OS X v10.7 Lion or
later were preinstalled):
Open the Mac App Store and click Updates in the toolbar.
If an iPhoto update is available, it appears in the Mac App Store window.
To check for updates manually using Software Update (if you installed
iPhoto from the iLife ¹11 DVD, or if iPhoto and Mac OS X v10.6.8 Snow
Leopard or earlier were preinstalled):
Choose Apple Menu > Software Update.
If an iPhoto update is available, it appears in the Software Update
window.
If you purchased iPhoto in the Mac App Store, or if iPhoto was
preinstalled on your computer along with Mac OS X v10.7 Lion or later,
updates don¹t appear in Software Update. Check for updates in the Mac App
Store.
To turn off automatic notifications (if you installed iPhoto from the
iLife ¹11 DVD, or if iPhoto and Mac OS X v10.6.8 Snow Leopard or earlier
were preinstalled):
1. In iPhoto, choose iPhoto > Preferences, and then click General.
2. Deselect ³Check for iPhoto updates automatically.²
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