That's quite a leap. That's like saying that you won't be able to
run a Perl script on OSX because Apple doesn't distribute its own
version of Perl. Apple has control over what apps are available on
iOS because nothing gets on iOS unless it's available on the App
Store, which Apple owns. Apple really has no such control over PCs.
In the early days of OSX, Apple wrote its own JRE because the
platform was not a high priority for Sun. Now that OSX is much more
popular, Oracle has plenty of incentive to support and maintain the
Java runtime on that platform going forward. Apple no longer needs
to spend time and effort in this area, and so they won't.
In terms of who is responsible for a security vulnerability... it is
always quite clearly the software author. These are problems with
the implementations of Java browser plug-ins, not flaws in the
language specification itself.
On 4/17/2013 9:53 AM, Link, Peter R.
wrote:
Shawn never talks directly about anything Apple is planning for
the future (properly so) but I see his comments as giving a clear
indication of Apple's future concerning Java. Apple is not going
to pursue the continued operation of Java on OSX, that's up to
Oracle to provide it and users to install and use it. Reading into
this, I see Apple ultimately dropping Java support the same way
they dropped Flash on iOS. It's not a necessary application
environment for OSX and actually conflicts with OSX's security
model (just like Flash). Shawn might reply saying I'm taking his
comments too far but look at what's been happening with Java.
Every time Java has a vulnerability, Apple is the one who takes
the heat, not Oracle. Analysts, security experts, bloggers all
point the finger at Apple instead of where it belongs. Apple has
every right to make sure it keeps its software clean and I see
their change in how Java is delivered as being the first step in
removing Java for OSX.
Of course, I need Java running on my work computer because we
have applications that require it.
On Apr 17, 2013, at 7:28 AM, Shawn Geddis < email@hidden>
wrote:
On Apr 17, 2013, at 9:51 AM, Joel Esler < email@hidden>
wrote:
Shawn, I think the implied question was,
when is Apple going to move past 6? Oracle is
on 7 now.
I think Java should die in a glorious fire,
but the question remains.
Joel,
I understood that and thought it was clear in my
statement.
"Oracle owns and manages Java, not Apple."
Starting with Java 7, Oracle has taken over 100%
responsibility for Java on OS X. Are people not aware
of this ?
To answer your question specifically,
" when is Apple going to move past 6?"
.... Well, never, since Oracle controls all
updates and distribution of Java 7 and later….
Peter Link
Cyber Security Analyst
Cyber Security Program
Lawrence Livermore
National Laboratory
PO Box 808, L-315
Livermore, CA
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