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> 1. Secure erase of SSD drives?
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> 2. Re: Secure erase of SSD drives? (Joel Esler)
> 3. Re: Secure erase of SSD drives? (Dr. Brad Cox)
> 4. Re: Secure erase of SSD drives? (Danziger, Alan D.)
> 5. Re: Secure erase of SSD drives? (Link, Peter R.)
> 6. Re: Secure erase of SSD drives? (O'Donnell, Dan)
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> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 07:03:27 -0700
> From: "Dyson, Jennifer L CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-PACIFIC, 53521"
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> We have a Mac SSD drive that will be put in for a warranty claim, but
> when we went to do the secure DoD erase from Disk Utility, lo and
> behold...it was greyed out. Further googling on the topic revealed that
> there appears to be no secure way to wipe SSD drives...Seems to be a way
> to recover data no matter what...and even if you do some of the
> overwrite methods, you will degrade the performance terribly (not a big
> deal in this case since we are sending it back to the manufacturer)
> What?!?!?!? How did I miss this little tidbit of information! I then
> saw that the only possible way would be to use something specifically
> from the hardware manufacturer (in this case it was Samsung...and I see
> no way to use their tool on the MAC) Does anyone have any suggestions?
> What would be the DoD approved method? Haha...probably destruction
> only! Although I am worried about this for home computers as well....
>
> https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-3191
>
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> /Jen
> Jennifer Dyson
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> DCO Jabber - jennifer.dyson
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> "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food" - Hippocrates
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> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:18:49 -0400
> From: Joel Esler <email@hidden>
> To: "Dyson, Jennifer L CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-PACIFIC, 53521"
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> On Mar 19, 2013, at 10:03 AM, "Dyson, Jennifer L CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-PACIFIC, 53521" <email@hidden> wrote:
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>> We have a Mac SSD drive that will be put in for a warranty claim, but
>> when we went to do the secure DoD erase from Disk Utility, lo and
>> behold...it was greyed out. Further googling on the topic revealed that
>> there appears to be no secure way to wipe SSD drives...Seems to be a way
>> to recover data no matter what...and even if you do some of the
>> overwrite methods, you will degrade the performance terribly (not a big
>> deal in this case since we are sending it back to the manufacturer)
>> What?!?!?!? How did I miss this little tidbit of information! I then
>> saw that the only possible way would be to use something specifically
>> from the hardware manufacturer (in this case it was Samsung...and I see
>> no way to use their tool on the MAC) Does anyone have any suggestions?
>> What would be the DoD approved method? Haha...probably destruction
>> only! Although I am worried about this for home computers as well....
>>
>> https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-3191
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> I think this product should work:
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> http://goo.gl/db93o
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> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:20:34 -0400
> From: "Dr. Brad Cox" <email@hidden>
> To: "Dyson, Jennifer L CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-PACIFIC, 53521"
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> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Secure erase of SSD drives?
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> Ran into that with a personal hard drive that needed warranty replacement. Apple INSISTED that I return the old drive undamaged or pay an exorbitant fee. Something about needing to monitor failure causes before tossing in a dumpster. A secure one they claimed ;)
>
> Resolved that (to my satisfaction; probably not govt's) with a honking big drive erase magnet. Apple never objected. My next choice would be a hammer, tree chipper or the like.
>
> Apple's not your friend in such cases.
>
> On Mar 19, 2013, at 10:03 AM, "Dyson, Jennifer L CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-PACIFIC, 53521" <email@hidden> wrote:
>
>> We have a Mac SSD drive that will be put in for a warranty claim, but
>> when we went to do the secure DoD erase from Disk Utility, lo and
>> behold...it was greyed out. Further googling on the topic revealed that
>> there appears to be no secure way to wipe SSD drives...Seems to be a way
>> to recover data no matter what...and even if you do some of the
>> overwrite methods, you will degrade the performance terribly (not a big
>> deal in this case since we are sending it back to the manufacturer)
>> What?!?!?!? How did I miss this little tidbit of information! I then
>> saw that the only possible way would be to use something specifically
>> from the hardware manufacturer (in this case it was Samsung...and I see
>> no way to use their tool on the MAC) Does anyone have any suggestions?
>> What would be the DoD approved method? Haha...probably destruction
>> only! Although I am worried about this for home computers as well....
>>
>> https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-3191
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> /Jen
>> Jennifer Dyson
>> SSC-PACIFIC Code 53521
>> email@hidden
>> DCO Jabber - jennifer.dyson
>>
>> "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food" - Hippocrates
>>
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> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:39:46 +0000
> From: "Danziger, Alan D." <email@hidden>
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> I'm not sure how helpful this is but my solution is to use FileVault 2 on the SSD. If it needs to be swapped out, I erase (remove the key), and all the data on the drive is (in theory, which I believe) irretrievable without "sufficiently advanced technology (= magic)" Certainly sufficient for my personal data.
>
> "This does not reflect my employer's policies or preferences."
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> -=Alan
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>
> Ran into that with a personal hard drive that needed warranty replacement. Apple INSISTED that I return the old drive undamaged or pay an exorbitant fee. Something about needing to monitor failure causes before tossing in a dumpster. A secure one they claimed ;)
>
> Resolved that (to my satisfaction; probably not govt's) with a honking big drive erase magnet. Apple never objected. My next choice would be a hammer, tree chipper or the like.
>
> Apple's not your friend in such cases.
>
> On Mar 19, 2013, at 10:03 AM, "Dyson, Jennifer L CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-PACIFIC, 53521" <email@hidden> wrote:
>
>> We have a Mac SSD drive that will be put in for a warranty claim, but
>> when we went to do the secure DoD erase from Disk Utility, lo and
>> behold...it was greyed out. Further googling on the topic revealed that
>> there appears to be no secure way to wipe SSD drives...Seems to be a way
>> to recover data no matter what...and even if you do some of the
>> overwrite methods, you will degrade the performance terribly (not a big
>> deal in this case since we are sending it back to the manufacturer)
>> What?!?!?!? How did I miss this little tidbit of information! I then
>> saw that the only possible way would be to use something specifically
>> from the hardware manufacturer (in this case it was Samsung...and I see
>> no way to use their tool on the MAC) Does anyone have any suggestions?
>> What would be the DoD approved method? Haha...probably destruction
>> only! Although I am worried about this for home computers as well....
>>
>> https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-3191
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> /Jen
>> Jennifer Dyson
>> SSC-PACIFIC Code 53521
>> email@hidden
>> DCO Jabber - jennifer.dyson
>>
>> "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food" - Hippocrates
>>
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> Start here, sp800_88_r1_draft.pdf<http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/PubsDrafts.html#SP-800-88-Rev. 1> and see what the recommended sanitization technique is. I also remember some articles discussing how SSDs work. I'll try and find them.
>
> As for returning media to the vendor, we (LLNL) have a purchasing agreement that says they don't get the drives back no matter what.
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> On Mar 19, 2013, at 7:39 AM, "Danziger, Alan D." <email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure how helpful this is but my solution is to use FileVault 2 on the SSD. If it needs to be swapped out, I erase (remove the key), and all the data on the drive is (in theory, which I believe) irretrievable without "sufficiently advanced technology (= magic)" Certainly sufficient for my personal data.
>
> "This does not reflect my employer's policies or preferences."
>
> -=Alan
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> To: Dyson, Jennifer L CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-PACIFIC, 53521
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> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Secure erase of SSD drives?
>
> Ran into that with a personal hard drive that needed warranty replacement. Apple INSISTED that I return the old drive undamaged or pay an exorbitant fee. Something about needing to monitor failure causes before tossing in a dumpster. A secure one they claimed ;)
>
> Resolved that (to my satisfaction; probably not govt's) with a honking big drive erase magnet. Apple never objected. My next choice would be a hammer, tree chipper or the like.
>
> Apple's not your friend in such cases.
>
> On Mar 19, 2013, at 10:03 AM, "Dyson, Jennifer L CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-PACIFIC, 53521" <email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:
>
> We have a Mac SSD drive that will be put in for a warranty claim, but
> when we went to do the secure DoD erase from Disk Utility, lo and
> behold...it was greyed out. Further googling on the topic revealed that
> there appears to be no secure way to wipe SSD drives...Seems to be a way
> to recover data no matter what...and even if you do some of the
> overwrite methods, you will degrade the performance terribly (not a big
> deal in this case since we are sending it back to the manufacturer)
> What?!?!?!? How did I miss this little tidbit of information! I then
> saw that the only possible way would be to use something specifically
> from the hardware manufacturer (in this case it was Samsung...and I see
> no way to use their tool on the MAC) Does anyone have any suggestions?
> What would be the DoD approved method? Haha...probably destruction
> only! Although I am worried about this for home computers as well....
>
> https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-3191
>
>
>
>
> /Jen
> Jennifer Dyson
> SSC-PACIFIC Code 53521
> email@hidden
> DCO Jabber - jennifer.dyson
>
> "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food" - Hippocrates
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> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:17:01 +0000
> From: "O'Donnell, Dan" <email@hidden>
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> Solid state disks are fundamentally different from spinning ferromagnetic
> disks. Solid state are silicon chips in which the transistors maintain
> state when turned off. (I don't know if they trickle charge to retain
> state.)
>
> Magnetic hard drives are just that - magnetic - with (conceptually) little
> ferromagnetic particles that change position when pushed by the magnetic
> heads of the drive. As such they can be affected by the high B field of a
> degaussing magnet.
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> Solid state drives should be completely unaffected by a magnetic field.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Dr. Brad Cox" <email@hidden>
> Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 6:20 AM
> To: "Dyson, Jennifer L CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-PACIFIC, 53521"
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> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Secure erase of SSD drives?
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>> Ran into that with a personal hard drive that needed warranty
>> replacement. Apple INSISTED that I return the old drive undamaged or pay
>> an exorbitant fee. Something about needing to monitor failure causes
>> before tossing in a dumpster. A secure one they claimed ;)
>>
>> Resolved that (to my satisfaction; probably not govt's) with a honking
>> big drive erase magnet. Apple never objected. My next choice would be a
>> hammer, tree chipper or the like.
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