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Re: Scatternets
by Matthias Ringwald 31 Jul '08

31 Jul '08

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com On 18.07.2008, at 15:59, aSaM wrote: Matthias _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… And that's why Apple has dumped it in iPhone OSX. did you try with the iPhone? As I said, it's more a feature of the BT chipset than the OS (the OS does nothing about or against it). So, if the BT chipset support it - I believe most to in a way or the other - Apple would really have to think about it and explicitly write code to stop it. Try the A -> B -> C chain, I've suggested before. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Timeout for OBEX push?
by Thomas Winkler 30 Jul '08

30 Jul '08

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Re: iPhone
by Roman Pixell 21 Jul '08

21 Jul '08

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com On 16 jul 2008, at 20.07, Dave Boydston wrote: On Jul 16, 2008, at 7:37 PM, Garth Cummings wrote: Hello, med vänliga hälsningar / warmest regards, / ® roman pixell http://www.linkedin.com/in/pixell http://handshake.se/ [beta] karmatic - pixell prod kåkbrinken 11a 3tr 111 27 stockholm email: roman(a)pixell.net AIM: doppler(a)mac.com MSN: roman(a)pixell.net ICQ: 3698764 skype: romanpixell cell: +46 709 10 35 51 _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… There is nothing legally preventing discussion of the fact that iPhone Bluetooth is lame. Also note there are plenty of ways to get the information unrelated to the SDK. e.g. just try to pair a Bluetooth Spp device to the iPhone, or to Bluetooth file transfer. Stéphane Sudre wrote: Just a reminder that the contents of the iPhone SDK are still confidential and shouldn't be discussed on an open forum. not to mention lack of a2dp, avrcp and similar profile support. the iphone should, after all, be an ipod (jobs said). and that information is certainly not confidential This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Fw: Developers Wanted
by Bill Steinberg 19 Jul '08

19 Jul '08

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Re: Scatternets
by aSaM 18 Jul '08

18 Jul '08

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com Asam.... Hi Laurent. Matthias (PhD Student..:) On 10.07.2008, at 15:27, Laurent Kirsch wrote: Hello, I would like to know whether the Apple Bluetooth modules/stacks support the creation of scatternets,i.e. Is it possible that one device can be in more than one piconet simultaneously and serve as a router to route packages from one piconet to another one ? Basically what I want to do is write a group communication service. However because it is impossible to connect to more than 7 devices simultaneously it would be good if it was possible that one of the 7 devices of this first piconet could form another piconet and then play the role of a router to get the packages from one piconet to the other one. In this way it would be possible to have a bluetooth network with more then 7 devices without having to park some of them. If it is not well explained please tell me, I will try to explain it in a better way. Any ideas are welcome. Thanks Kirsch Laurent (student) _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/asam%40mac.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… And that's why Apple has dumped it in iPhone OSX. Was a British discovery by Adam Laurie - several years ago... The funny part about Bluetooth Scatternets is that they are hardly specified and even more, that there are no HCI commands which would tell the BT module a Scatternet. So you're at the merci of the Bluetooth vendor. Most BT modules nowadays support Scatternets out-of-the-box. All you have to do is open connections in the right order. Example: Device A opens a connection to B. With default settings, A is now the master of the Piconet. Now, device C comes along and tries to open a connection to B. If the Bluetooth moduel of B supports Scatternets / mutplie Piconets, B gets to be slave of C, too. That's for the baseband connectivity. For the data forwarding, e.g. from slave 1 to slave 2, you have to come up with something. If you do IP communication, this might work outmatically. Check out our papers on Bluetooth Scatternets for our BTnode embedded systems at btnode.ethz.ch This email sent to asam(a)mac.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Scatternets
by Matthias Ringwald 18 Jul '08

18 Jul '08

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi Laurent. Matthias (PhD Student..:) On 10.07.2008, at 15:27, Laurent Kirsch wrote: Hello, Any ideas are welcome. Thanks Kirsch Laurent (student) _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… The funny part about Bluetooth Scatternets is that they are hardly specified and even more, that there are no HCI commands which would tell the BT module a Scatternet. So you're at the merci of the Bluetooth vendor. Most BT modules nowadays support Scatternets out-of-the-box. All you have to do is open connections in the right order. Example: Device A opens a connection to B. With default settings, A is now the master of the Piconet. Now, device C comes along and tries to open a connection to B. If the Bluetooth moduel of B supports Scatternets / mutplie Piconets, B gets to be slave of C, too. That's for the baseband connectivity. For the data forwarding, e.g. from slave 1 to slave 2, you have to come up with something. If you do IP communication, this might work outmatically. Check out our papers on Bluetooth Scatternets for our BTnode embedded systems at btnode.ethz.ch I would like to know whether the Apple Bluetooth modules/stacks support the creation of scatternets,i.e. Is it possible that one device can be in more than one piconet simultaneously and serve as a router to route packages from one piconet to another one ? Basically what I want to do is write a group communication service. However because it is impossible to connect to more than 7 devices simultaneously it would be good if it was possible that one of the 7 devices of this first piconet could form another piconet and then play the role of a router to get the packages from one piconet to the other one. In this way it would be possible to have a bluetooth network with more then 7 devices without having to park some of them. If it is not well explained please tell me, I will try to explain it in a better way. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: iPhone
by Dave Boydston 16 Jul '08

16 Jul '08

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) On Jul 16, 2008, at 7:37 PM, Garth Cummings wrote: Hello, Stupid question: _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/daveb%40serialio.com This email sent to daveb(a)serialio.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… There is nothing legally preventing discussion of the fact that iPhone Bluetooth is lame. Also note there are plenty of ways to get the information unrelated to the SDK. e.g. just try to pair a Bluetooth Spp device to the iPhone, or to Bluetooth file transfer. Stéphane Sudre wrote: Just a reminder that the contents of the iPhone SDK are still confidential and shouldn't be discussed on an open forum. Since the iPhone SDK can be legally downloaded for free by almost anyone on earth above 18, what is the confidentiality for now that even the final product has been released (successfully)? This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: iPhone
by Garth Cummings 16 Jul '08

16 Jul '08

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Jul 16, 2008, at 10:57 AM, Stéphane Sudre wrote: On Jul 16, 2008, at 7:37 PM, Garth Cummings wrote: Hello, Stupid question: --gc ____________________________________________________________________ Garth Cummings gcummings(a)apple.com Sr. Software Engineer Apple Developer Technical Support <http://developer.apple.com/technicalsupport> _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Just a reminder that the contents of the iPhone SDK are still confidential and shouldn't be discussed on an open forum. Since the iPhone SDK can be legally downloaded for free by almost anyone on earth above 18, what is the confidentiality for now that even the final product has been released (successfully)? That decision is made well above my pay grade, and I am not a lawyer. I can only say what the current policy is. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: iPhone
by Stéphane Sudre 16 Jul '08

16 Jul '08

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Jul 16, 2008, at 7:37 PM, Garth Cummings wrote: Hello, Stupid question: _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Just a reminder that the contents of the iPhone SDK are still confidential and shouldn't be discussed on an open forum. Since the iPhone SDK can be legally downloaded for free by almost anyone on earth above 18, what is the confidentiality for now that even the final product has been released (successfully)? This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: iPhone
by Garth Cummings 16 Jul '08

16 Jul '08

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hello, Thanks, --gc ____________________________________________________________________ Garth Cummings gcummings(a)apple.com Sr. Software Engineer Apple Developer Technical Support <http://developer.apple.com/technicalsupport> _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Just a reminder that the contents of the iPhone SDK are still confidential and shouldn't be discussed on an open forum. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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