August 2010 - Bluetooth-dev

Re: Using GKSession with a third-party device
by David Boydston 18 Aug '10

18 Aug '10

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com You can do RFCOMM on iPhone, you just have to jail break it first. On Aug 18, 2010, at 12:14 AM, Matthias Ringwald wrote: > Hi Charlie > > although you can do SDP & RFCOMM on the Mac easily, you cannot on iPhone - there is no method to call. > > Best > Matthias > > On 17.08.2010, at 18:05, Charlie Lenahan wrote: > >> I haven't develop for the iPhone but it was my understanding that you >> can do simple SDP queries for devices and open up RFCOMM connections. > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/daveb%40serialio.com > > This email sent to daveb(a)serialio.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Using GKSession with a third-party device
by Matthias Ringwald 18 Aug '10

18 Aug '10

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi Charlie although you can do SDP & RFCOMM on the Mac easily, you cannot on iPhone - there is no method to call. Best Matthias On 17.08.2010, at 18:05, Charlie Lenahan wrote: > I haven't develop for the iPhone but it was my understanding that you > can do simple SDP queries for devices and open up RFCOMM connections. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Using GKSession with a third-party device
by Charlie Lenahan 17 Aug '10

17 Aug '10

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com I haven't develop for the iPhone but it was my understanding that you can do simple SDP queries for devices and open up RFCOMM connections. On Tuesday, August 17, 2010, Daniel Mack <daniel(a)zonque.org> wrote: > Hi Matthias, > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 07:46:23PM +0200, Matthias Ringwald wrote: >> GameKit is closed-source and undocumented, like most stuff on iOS which is not described in detail in Apple's otherwise excellent documentation. Basically, GK identifies another iOS device somehow, creates a PAN/BNEP network and then uses Bonjour to find the service listed on the other device. I don't know if the communication that follows is encrypted or not. If you figure anything out, please let me know. :) >> >> If rooting your iPhone is an option for your project, you can use btstack.org on the iPhone which provides a regular Bluetooth stack for embedded devices. > > No, that's unfortunately no option at all as we need to distribute our > application via the app store. > > That raises the next question for me, which is whether an application > using a GKSession mechanism for anything else then the original > intention would at pass Apple's review process. > > A statement from Apple's side about this would be very helpful and much > appreciated, because if we can't go this way, it's not actually worth > starting all the implementation. > > Best regards, > Daniel > > > > >> On 16.08.2010, at 19:18, Daniel Mack wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > is there any in-depth documentation about the underlying protocol >> > GKSession implements? I'm asking because I'd like to exchange data >> > between an iPhone and an Linux embedded device via Bluetooth. >> > >> > Any pointers how to do that? Is this supported at all? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Daniel >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> > Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) >> > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/mringwal%40inf.ethz.ch >> > >> > This email sent to mringwal(a)inf.ethz.ch >> > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/clenahan%40sonicbison.… > > This email sent to clenahan(a)sonicbison.com > -- Charlie Lenahan _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Using GKSession with a third-party device
by Matthias Ringwald 17 Aug '10

17 Aug '10

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi Daniel I'm not from Apple, but I certainly can give you this simple answer: if you're app wants to talk to another device over Bluetooth which does not run iOS, you're only (AppStore-compatible) option is to join the Apple Made for iPhone program and produce a "Made for iPhone"-compliant device. In that case you would use the documented EAAccessory API. Other than that, there's no information available as the MfI is heavily NDA'd and most small companies I've heard of get rejected. Note, that the only external Bluetooth device I've seen so far is the TomTom GPS car kit - although Bluetooth support for accessories was presented March 09, which is rather disappointing I think. Best Matthias On 17.08.2010, at 16:12, Daniel Mack wrote: > Hi Matthias, > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 07:46:23PM +0200, Matthias Ringwald wrote: >> GameKit is closed-source and undocumented, like most stuff on iOS which is not described in detail in Apple's otherwise excellent documentation. Basically, GK identifies another iOS device somehow, creates a PAN/BNEP network and then uses Bonjour to find the service listed on the other device. I don't know if the communication that follows is encrypted or not. If you figure anything out, please let me know. :) >> >> If rooting your iPhone is an option for your project, you can use btstack.org on the iPhone which provides a regular Bluetooth stack for embedded devices. > > No, that's unfortunately no option at all as we need to distribute our > application via the app store. > > That raises the next question for me, which is whether an application > using a GKSession mechanism for anything else then the original > intention would at pass Apple's review process. > > A statement from Apple's side about this would be very helpful and much > appreciated, because if we can't go this way, it's not actually worth > starting all the implementation. > > Best regards, > Daniel > > > > >> On 16.08.2010, at 19:18, Daniel Mack wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> is there any in-depth documentation about the underlying protocol >>> GKSession implements? I'm asking because I'd like to exchange data >>> between an iPhone and an Linux embedded device via Bluetooth. >>> >>> Any pointers how to do that? Is this supported at all? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Daniel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/mringwal%40inf.ethz.ch >>> >>> This email sent to mringwal(a)inf.ethz.ch >> _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Using GKSession with a third-party device
by Daniel Mack 17 Aug '10

17 Aug '10

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Hi Matthias, On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 07:46:23PM +0200, Matthias Ringwald wrote: > GameKit is closed-source and undocumented, like most stuff on iOS which is not described in detail in Apple's otherwise excellent documentation. Basically, GK identifies another iOS device somehow, creates a PAN/BNEP network and then uses Bonjour to find the service listed on the other device. I don't know if the communication that follows is encrypted or not. If you figure anything out, please let me know. :) > > If rooting your iPhone is an option for your project, you can use btstack.org on the iPhone which provides a regular Bluetooth stack for embedded devices. No, that's unfortunately no option at all as we need to distribute our application via the app store. That raises the next question for me, which is whether an application using a GKSession mechanism for anything else then the original intention would at pass Apple's review process. A statement from Apple's side about this would be very helpful and much appreciated, because if we can't go this way, it's not actually worth starting all the implementation. Best regards, Daniel > On 16.08.2010, at 19:18, Daniel Mack wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > is there any in-depth documentation about the underlying protocol > > GKSession implements? I'm asking because I'd like to exchange data > > between an iPhone and an Linux embedded device via Bluetooth. > > > > Any pointers how to do that? Is this supported at all? > > > > Thanks, > > Daniel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > > Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/mringwal%40inf.ethz.ch > > > > This email sent to mringwal(a)inf.ethz.ch > _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Using GKSession with a third-party device
by Matthias Ringwald 16 Aug '10

16 Aug '10

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi Daniel GameKit is closed-source and undocumented, like most stuff on iOS which is not described in detail in Apple's otherwise excellent documentation. Basically, GK identifies another iOS device somehow, creates a PAN/BNEP network and then uses Bonjour to find the service listed on the other device. I don't know if the communication that follows is encrypted or not. If you figure anything out, please let me know. :) If rooting your iPhone is an option for your project, you can use btstack.org on the iPhone which provides a regular Bluetooth stack for embedded devices. Best Matthias On 16.08.2010, at 19:18, Daniel Mack wrote: > Hi, > > is there any in-depth documentation about the underlying protocol > GKSession implements? I'm asking because I'd like to exchange data > between an iPhone and an Linux embedded device via Bluetooth. > > Any pointers how to do that? Is this supported at all? > > Thanks, > Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/mringwal%40inf.ethz.ch > > This email sent to mringwal(a)inf.ethz.ch _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Using GKSession with a third-party device
by Daniel Mack 16 Aug '10

16 Aug '10

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Hi, is there any in-depth documentation about the underlying protocol GKSession implements? I'm asking because I'd like to exchange data between an iPhone and an Linux embedded device via Bluetooth. Any pointers how to do that? Is this supported at all? Thanks, Daniel _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: IOBluetoothPairingController asserting?
by Brian M. Criscuolo 05 Aug '10

05 Aug '10

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com This is similar to a still-open Radar I had filed on 9/8/09, "IOBluetoothDeviceSelectorController calls unimplemented selector when pairing" (rdar://7205872). > When using IOBluetoothDeviceSelectorController's runModal function to select and pair a remote Bluetooth service, the framework is throwing an exception > > -[NSTextField length]: unrecognized selector sent to instance 0x113222200 > That was on 10.6 and is easily reproducible using Bluetooth Explorer. > Launch Console.app > Launch Bluetooth Explorer, select Utilities->Test Bluetooth UI Panels->Pairing > Choose a device which would expect a passcode to be entered (I tried with multiple Windows Mobile devices, which are the only ones I had handy) > Enter a passcode. Enter the passcode again (two different entry dialogs appear) > See error in console Does Bluetooth Explorer reveal something similar to what is happening to your code? It beats writing a sample app. Good luck. b On Aug 5, 2010, at 12:22 PM, Dave MacLachlan wrote: > Hey all, > > I'm trying to pair up a device on 10.5.8 with IOBluetoothPairingController. > > My code is pretty simple > > IOBluetoothSDPUUID *serviceUUID = [[IOBluetoothSDPUUID alloc] initWithBytes:kServiceUUID length:sizeof(kServiceUUID)]; > IOBluetoothPairingController *controller = [IOBluetoothPairingController pairingController]; > [controller addAllowedUUID:serviceUUID]; > [controller runModal]; > > It displays a list of devices, and when I a device that has the service I get this in the console: > > 2010-08-05 08:51:43.869 MyApp[31611:813] *** Assertion failure in -[NSTextFieldCell _objectValue:forString:errorDescription:], /SourceCache/AppKit/AppKit-949.54/AppKit.subproj/NSCell.m:1338 > > and the dialog basically hangs (pair button is disabled, prompt says "Connecting to the device..."). I can hit cancel, but that doesn't really help. > > The backtrace looks something like this: > #0 0x901571c6 in NSLog () > #1 0x901ece8f in -[NSAssertionHandler handleFailureInMethod:object:file:lineNumber:description:] () > #2 0x916170bd in -[NSCell _objectValue:forString:errorDescription:] () > #3 0x91616fdf in -[NSCell _objectValue:forString:] () > #4 0x91616f31 in -[NSCell setStringValue:] () > #5 0x9169c372 in -[NSControl setStringValue:] () > #6 0x00039676 in -[IOBluetoothConcretePairingController startDevicePairing:] () > #7 0x00041293 in -[IOBluetoothConcreteDeviceController sdpQueryComplete:status:] () > #8 0x00039526 in -[IOBluetoothConcretePairingController sdpQueryComplete:status:] () > #9 0x000c5f53 in -[SDPQueryCallbackDispatcher sdpQueryComplete:status:] () > #10 0x947bf91d in __invoking___ () > #11 0x947bf308 in -[NSInvocation invoke] () > #12 0x947bf3d8 in -[NSInvocation invokeWithTarget:] () > #13 0x947bf84a in ___forwarding___ () > #14 0x947bf8b2 in __forwarding_prep_0___ () > #15 0x947bf91d in __invoking___ () > #16 0x947bf308 in -[NSInvocation invoke] () > #17 0x901173f4 in -[NSConnection dispatchInvocation:] () > #18 0x901153a7 in -[NSConnection handleRequest:sequence:] () > #19 0x90114bed in -[NSConnection handlePortCoder:] () > #20 0x9011471e in -[NSConcretePortCoder dispatch] () > #21 0x90113e83 in __NSFireMachPort () > #22 0x9471bff5 in __CFMachPortPerform () > #23 0x947406b8 in CFRunLoopRunSpecific () > #24 0x94740aa8 in CFRunLoopRunInMode () > #25 0x97a702ac in RunCurrentEventLoopInMode () > #26 0x97a700c5 in ReceiveNextEventCommon () > #27 0x97a6ff39 in BlockUntilNextEventMatchingListInMode () > #28 0x9162a6d5 in _DPSNextEvent () > #29 0x91629f88 in -[NSApplication nextEventMatchingMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] () > #30 0x9186738d in -[NSApplication _realDoModalLoop:peek:] () > #31 0x91861acb in -[NSApplication runModalForWindow:] () > #32 0x0003eff2 in -[IOBluetoothConcreteDeviceController runModal:] () > #33 0x00039248 in -[IOBluetoothConcretePairingController runModal:] () > #34 0x0003eef4 in -[IOBluetoothConcreteDeviceController runModal] () > > What am I missing? This seems like a pretty simple case. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Cheers, > Dave > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/bcriscuolo%40markspace… > > This email sent to bcriscuolo(a)markspace.com ******************** Brian M. Criscuolo Lead Software Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. bcriscuolo(a)markspace.com <http://www.markspace.com> Synchronize: KIN | Android | Palm Prē | iPhone | BlackBerry | Windows Mobile | Palm OS | Symbian | PSP | Macintosh | Windows _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. 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IOBluetoothPairingController asserting?
by Dave MacLachlan 05 Aug '10

05 Aug '10

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date :x-mailer; bh=yQkO2YoGIAzV9Uz0f8ktSe79s7t0N8dD6TyTg+V+rs8=; b=WcJvw0ypfbfI+JMDpQ9bEdIl0L98A+ApI6T/uYGgqwv+AsqmK6MKyUVvRQM9Dysfjh vETOUIqeU2RCVQkB+Y4FEPtdiRVugr9mXX3q/93vQasxQwv8eTaXGTBN0HdWmvsjji66 JnZHBxr1A2WqjrI1KqGSKuXVWtPNp/6u35xlA= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version:subject:date:x-mailer; b=fCpDUIDg+3i2VveiQlaALbRBxj+7tGCUPXPA540jf7kykjXS5ds04NNQnUub7O2zoV L+goImTGwQRG+NPrDR8owJmS1VHSiexY+yDA6rFEm4k4XiT5AsrHg0JoO4dJaiqupmXS OE31SBHcGhJdi0OVSyg2Teo+nVQH/Rzy2pvzo= Hey all, My code is pretty simple What am I missing? This seems like a pretty simple case. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Dave _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I'm trying to pair up a device on 10.5.8 with IOBluetoothPairingController. IOBluetoothSDPUUID *serviceUUID = [[IOBluetoothSDPUUID alloc] initWithBytes:kServiceUUID length:sizeof(kServiceUUID)]; IOBluetoothPairingController *controller = [IOBluetoothPairingController pairingController]; [controller addAllowedUUID:serviceUUID]; [controller runModal]; It displays a list of devices, and when I a device that has the service I get this in the console: 2010-08-05 08:51:43.869 MyApp[31611:813] *** Assertion failure in - [NSTextFieldCell _objectValue:forString:errorDescription:], / SourceCache/AppKit/AppKit-949.54/AppKit.subproj/NSCell.m:1338 and the dialog basically hangs (pair button is disabled, prompt says "Connecting to the device..."). I can hit cancel, but that doesn't really help. The backtrace looks something like this: #0 0x901571c6 in NSLog () #1 0x901ece8f in -[NSAssertionHandler handleFailureInMethod:object:file:lineNumber:description:] () #2 0x916170bd in -[NSCell _objectValue:forString:errorDescription:] () #3 0x91616fdf in -[NSCell _objectValue:forString:] () #4 0x91616f31 in -[NSCell setStringValue:] () #5 0x9169c372 in -[NSControl setStringValue:] () #6 0x00039676 in -[IOBluetoothConcretePairingController startDevicePairing:] () #7 0x00041293 in -[IOBluetoothConcreteDeviceController sdpQueryComplete:status:] () #8 0x00039526 in -[IOBluetoothConcretePairingController sdpQueryComplete:status:] () #9 0x000c5f53 in -[SDPQueryCallbackDispatcher sdpQueryComplete:status:] () #10 0x947bf91d in __invoking___ () #11 0x947bf308 in -[NSInvocation invoke] () #12 0x947bf3d8 in -[NSInvocation invokeWithTarget:] () #13 0x947bf84a in ___forwarding___ () #14 0x947bf8b2 in __forwarding_prep_0___ () #15 0x947bf91d in __invoking___ () #16 0x947bf308 in -[NSInvocation invoke] () #17 0x901173f4 in -[NSConnection dispatchInvocation:] () #18 0x901153a7 in -[NSConnection handleRequest:sequence:] () #19 0x90114bed in -[NSConnection handlePortCoder:] () #20 0x9011471e in -[NSConcretePortCoder dispatch] () #21 0x90113e83 in __NSFireMachPort () #22 0x9471bff5 in __CFMachPortPerform () #23 0x947406b8 in CFRunLoopRunSpecific () #24 0x94740aa8 in CFRunLoopRunInMode () #25 0x97a702ac in RunCurrentEventLoopInMode () #26 0x97a700c5 in ReceiveNextEventCommon () #27 0x97a6ff39 in BlockUntilNextEventMatchingListInMode () #28 0x9162a6d5 in _DPSNextEvent () #29 0x91629f88 in -[NSApplication nextEventMatchingMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] () #30 0x9186738d in -[NSApplication _realDoModalLoop:peek:] () #31 0x91861acb in -[NSApplication runModalForWindow:] () #32 0x0003eff2 in -[IOBluetoothConcreteDeviceController runModal:] () #33 0x00039248 in -[IOBluetoothConcretePairingController runModal:] () #34 0x0003eef4 in -[IOBluetoothConcreteDeviceController runModal] () This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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