You don't get the point. There's nothing magical about Obj-C compared to Java. Java is simply a programming language based upon a specification. All I'm saying is that Apple needs to spend more time on it's implementation of Java in order to accomodate the LARGE number of developers out there. Now, regarding the Webobjects comment: BEA and IBM both make JVMs and J2EE application servers. And infact, both companies support multiple platforms (including Windows, Solaris, and Linux). It's not rocket science, it just reiterates my previous point that they need spend more time on their implementation. Bruce On Sun, 9 May 2004 6:06am, William Jon Shipley wrote: If you enjoy Java and its programs, great -- I don't want to discourage you or fight with you. But the software that's selling Macs is not written in Java. None of it. Apple would be crazy to concentrate their resources on a language that they've tried twice before to exploit, to disastrous effect each time. (In the early days of Rhapsody Apple decided to port all of its bundled Obj-C apps to Java -- it found them so slow and buggy it ported them all back to Obj-C. Apple also decided to throw away the Obj-C WebObjects and port it to Java in 5.0. Haven't heard much about WebObjects lately, have you?) The Bluetooth team made the right decision to support Objective-C right out of the gate -- I was able to write a driver for a Bluetooth handheld scanner in a single day, without knowing anything about Bluetooth before that. -Wil Shipley Delicious Monster Software On May 9, 2004, at 2:26 AM, Bruce Hopkins wrote: Apple really needs to consider where it should focus its resources, because there are millions of Java programmers out there, compared to the thousands of Objective-C developers. _______________________________________________ bluetooth-dev mailing list | bluetooth-dev@lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/bluetooth-dev Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. _______________________________________________ bluetooth-dev mailing list | bluetooth-dev@lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/bluetooth-dev Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.