November 2011 - colorsync-users

Re: Epson 9900 printing issues
by Peter Figen 01 Dec '11

01 Dec '11

I've recently run into problems similar to Martin's while printing to an Epson 9900. I've had no problems with print sizing or 44 inch wide prints, but I have run into this weird cyanish mist overprint issue. When I upgraded to Snow Leopard a couple of months ago, I started seeing what Joe Holmes calls one of the "dark bugs" that can infect the Epson/Apple/Adobe system when printing from CS3. CS3 had always been my most reliable way of printing from Ps through the Epson driver and had never given me the problems I had experienced in CS4 or the horrible interface "improvements" of CS5. In order to get a project printed on time, I started printing from CS5, letting Ps manage the color and overall, the prints were perfect. At least until I noticed the slight cyanish overprint that was only outside of the actual image area, occupying a band in the white border on the top and bottom of the frame. Everything I read online pointed to version 4 ICC profiles and although I have never made those, I double checked the preferences in ProfileMaker 5.10 and they were still at version 2. After a conversation with Joe Holmes, I tried printing using Epson's Seiko profiles that were made in Japan, and also printing using the Gretag profiles printing through the Adobe Color Print Utility, and neither of those two options resulted in the overprint. I did not experience any of the bugs in the Adobe Utility that Joe has experienced, but printing through that adds needless steps to the process which are a pain in the ass when you've got a huge print job to get out the door. And I did completely wipe all drivers from the print center and reinstall the latest Epson drivers downloaded from Epson's site. Of course, printing black and white using Advanced Black and White has no overprint either. Whatever is causing this seems to be triggered by some interaction between whatever is in Snow Leopard and something in the Gretag profiles. That's as far as I've gotten in solving this, and no one seems to have any sort of idea or explanation - not my x-rite dealer, not Joe Holmes, not the folks I spoke to at Chromix. Peter Figen

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Bug of the day: 3880_3885_3890 Epson Premium Luster and Premium Glossy profiles
by edmund ronald 25 Nov '11

25 Nov '11

Bug of the day: Epson Premium Luster and Premium Glossy profiles<http://photofeedback.blogspot.com/2011/05/bug-of-day-epson-premium-luster-a…> Did I post this before? Edmund

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how to color sync an image for third party
by Pankaj Mathur 25 Nov '11

25 Nov '11

Hi, I urgently want to know how can i color sync my images for third party, Is it possible to color sync my images in such a way that its color looks same in any monitor. Regards, Pankaj Mathur

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Cori Devlin/AE/DuPont is out of the office.
by Cori Devlin 22 Nov '11

22 Nov '11

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Re: Epson 9900 can't print to 44" wide media
by MARINOS GEORGE 20 Nov '11

20 Nov '11

Or put white borders around the photo so you match the page size and then the printer prints only the image area . On 18 Νοε 2011, at 10:08 μ.μ., Doyle Yoder wrote: > > >> The dot is easier to spot on yellow fine art papers -- but the real giveaway is that the printers no longer quickly advance over the print areas that shouldn't be imaged. > > One way to get around this is to set your page size exactly the same as your print. > > > Doyle > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Colorsync-users mailing list (Colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/colorsync-users/idolo%40otenet.gr > > This email sent to idolo(a)otenet.gr

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Re: Epson 9900 can't print to 44" wide media
by Mike Strickler 20 Nov '11

20 Nov '11

One must be careful to check current product lineups before pronouncing one as DOA. EFI has RGB drivers for the 9900 in both XF and eXpress (replacement for Designer Edition). These drivers use Epson's screening and media settings, so you can even use the same profiles you've built for printing from Photoshop, but, of course, with the productivity features of XF. Mike Strickler MSP Graphic Services > > Agreed. > > Epson have already done all the hard work with their amazing screening and the complexity of laying down 10 colours. > > Building on that with a simple RGB profile for a specific paper gives superb results. > > Frankly, I'm still dubious that the GMG RIP is capable of matching the results of this kind of simple RGB-RGB workflow without some seriously time-consuming and expensive profile editing. The EFI Proofing RIP that we've still got knocking about here somewhere was absolutely terrible at RGB proofing when we last tried it about 4 years ago. > > -- > Martin Orpen > Idea Digital Imaging Ltd >

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Re: Epson 9900 can't print to 44" wide media
by John Lund 18 Nov '11

18 Nov '11

Hello Martin & all, This sounds familiar. I remember having this issue using PM5-generated RGB profiles (ICC v2, not v4), printing from a Snow Leopard Mac. The issue did not show up with profiles made with Monaco PulseColor Elite. As I recall, the issue ceased after running the Epson Common Updater, and avoiding Apple's Epson driver updates (I still uncheck the printer driver part of Software Update every time!). Since I upgraded my ColorBurst RIP to drive my 7880, I have never looked back. It handles proofing & presentation/fine art printing like a champ; even soft proofing CMYK paper profiles seems more accurate than RGB, to my eye. Good luck fixing this. John On Nov 18, 2011, at 12:03 PM, colorsync-users-request(a)lists.apple.com wrote: > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 19:29:01 +0000 > From: Martin Orpen <martin(a)idea-digital.com> > Subject: Re: Epson 9900 can't print to 44" wide media > To: "'colorsync-users?lists.apple.com' List" > <colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com> > Message-ID: <BB4C22E8-E8CD-4FBB-8D54-FBB764BFE3A0(a)idea-digital.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On 18 Nov 2011, at 19:21, Doyle Yoder wrote: > >> Yes I saw this with some v2 profiles, although they had a lot lighter cyan dot than from v4 profiles. What profile software are you using or that created these profiles that show this problem? > > ProfileMaker 5, and yes the dot would be quite hard to see on papers that are bluish. > > The dot is easier to spot on yellow fine art papers -- but the real giveaway is that the printers no longer quickly advance over the print areas that shouldn't be imaged. > > I'll test a couple of other profiles that have been built using other software and let you know if they exhibit the same problem. > > -- > Martin Orpen > Idea Digital Imaging Ltd

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Re: Epson 9900 can't print to 44" wide media
by david wollmann 18 Nov '11

18 Nov '11

Martin Orpen wrote: > These printers should work the same way that professional RIPs work: > the currently loaded media dimensions provide the limitations if you > are using cut sheets or the media width in the case of roll paper. As an additional note, I use Studio Print as my stand alone RIP. When you set up a print environment - resolution, ink position, screening algorithm, dot size, etc. - one of the settings is for margins. It doesn't matter whether you are selecting Roll or Sheet, it wants margins set to something. I learned many years ago the Epson likes those margins as previously stated. So, I set it and forget it. No headaches. This has been my experience. And it is refreshing sometimes to simply make an RGB profile rather than CMYK with GCR, black curves, linearizing, ink threshold, ink limiting... it can be much quicker and sometimes produce better results. David Wollmann

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Re: Epson 9900 can't print to 44" wide media
by tlabarbera 18 Nov '11

18 Nov '11

>>Martin Orpen <martin(a)idea-digital.com>: Therefore, if you set custom page sizes to anything wider than 43" you'll get a paper load error every time. You might want to check and see--via the printer's LCD panel in the "Printer Sedup" section--if the the 9900 has the "PPR Size Chk" option. If so, try setting it to OFF. Also check the setting for "Sheet Size Chk". On my 4000, I have "PPR Size Chk" set to OFF which allows me to feed my 7x10" cardstock short edge (7") leading via the paper tray--if it were set to On, then I get an error when trying to feed the 7" edge leading. I also have "Sheet Size Chk" set to Off. One thing to note is that if you manually feed paper, "PPR Size Chk" must be set to ON--at least on the 4000--or the paper doesn't load properly. I don't think it affects roll paper--I don't use roll paper so I can't check... Hope that helps... Terrie http://tlbtlb.com/ tlbtlb(a)mail.com

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Re: Epson 9900 can't print to 44" wide media
by Martin Orpen 18 Nov '11

18 Nov '11

On 18 Nov 2011, at 18:09, David Wollmann wrote: >> set your leading edge (bottom) margin to .56" (NO LESS!) and your trailing (top) to the same. Your minimum L and R margins can be 1/8" or 3mm. I always set them to 1/4". > > I have always found that the Epson driver really likes to have margins set, roll or sheet. I agree with the above comment. The .56 for the bottom margin in my experience is most important. It can't be any shorter. The others I usually set at .125 inches or as suggested, .25 inches. Well, contrary to some people's *rules*, we have always been able to print to the 9600, 9880 and 9900 without setting any margin values. The only printing issues that we've had have always arisen with 44" roll paper -- which the both the driver and Epson's documentation is woefully inadequate in discussing. I don't even understand why the subject of margins should even appear in the user dialogues? Either the printer prints edge-to-edge or it doesn't. If it doesn't then the acknowledged limitations of the printer should be hard coded in the driver. The whole borderless, borderless-banner, borderless-banner-auto-expansion options smack of extremely weak development and design to me. These printers should work the same way that professional RIPs work: the currently loaded media dimensions provide the limitations if you are using cut sheets or the media width in the case of roll paper. If your job fits the preview in whatever app you're using then that's what you expect to get out of the printer. > >> We aren't printing edge-to-edge. >> >> The image we are trying to print is nowhere near the paper size -- there is at least a two inch gap on any side. > > Then why not set standard margins? It saves a persons sanity when trying to use a Printer Driver in a production workflow. And I agree with you Martin, I much prefer a stand alone RIP to an RGB printer driver when it comes to production. The Epson documentation for UK/Europe doesn't give "standard margins" for 44" roll paper. It even waffle's on about the need to sometime having to "fool the printer" by setting odd media sizes and auto-expansion options. As we need the ability to place images in specific places on a roll and have them reproduce to exact sizes, repeatably, this really isn't good enough. > Glad to hear you are printing. Yeah, the prints look stunning. I do like the 9900 a lot -- especially as it has removed the necessity to maintain two wide format printers just so we could run both photo and matte black inks. -- Martin Orpen Idea Digital Imaging Ltd

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