November 2011 - colorsync-users

Re: Re: Re: basiccolor INPUT
by Karsten Krüger 05 Nov '11

05 Nov '11

Jose, There are two different concepts: 1) Camera profiles based on ICC / ColorSync standards 2) Settings files for Adobe Camera Raw and associated products (like DNG Profile Editor) called profiles by Adobe 1) is a cross product international standard. ICC profiles are used by Photoshop and other image editors for a lot of purposes (like color managing printers, scanners etc.). The discussion with Iliah Borg was about this type of profiles. With ICC profiles you have some software to create printer profiles (they are output optimized) or scanner & camera profiles (which are input optimized). ICC profiles describe the color gamut of a color device, so in our case the color gamut of a digital camera. 2) is an optimized settings file for Adobe Camera Raw and associated products. They only work in this environment. These DNG profiles describe Camera Raw settings, nothing else. Adobe calls them profiles, which creates a lot of confusion among users. Bottom line: While both "profiles" try to achieve similar goals on a first glimpse, workflows, contents and environments are very different. Hope this helps, Karsten ----- original Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re: Re: basiccolor INPUT Gesendet: Sa, 05. Nov 2011 Von: José Ángel Bueno García<jbueno61(a)gmail.com> > Hello Karsten: > > Maybe my level of english is not good enough to be clear. > > The only "propietary" profiling software is endeed DNG Profile Editor > with .dcp extention. But I was talking about a DNG workflow that you > have rejected, and where I suppose you will return in brief. If it > isn't so, please tell me your solution in the future. > > And for what I know, Rough Profiler and CoCa produce ICC profiles to > use in tiff files. > > Add to the list PictoColor inCamera Adobe Photoshop plug in and X-Rite > i1Match with a ColorChecker SG. > > Salud > > Jose Bueno > > > > El día 5 de noviembre de 2011 09:08, Karsten Krüger <kk(a)kkrueger.de> > escribió: > > Jose, > > > > Thanks for the info, but there seems to be some misunderstanding. > > We are talking about camera ICC profiles, not about proprietary > > Adobe Camera Raw settings (which they confusingly call profiles, too). > > > > Karsten > > > > ----- original Nachricht -------- > > > > Betreff: Re: basiccolor INPUT > > Gesendet: Sa, 05. Nov 2011 > > Von: José Ángel Bueno García<jbueno61(a)gmail.com> > > > >> The main problem is to keep the master file profiled in a DNG wokflow. > >> Haven't tried to open a DNG file in a different machine, but it's > >> supposed that you lose the DNG Profile Editor file that helps to get > >> fine dE with ACR Calibration Scripts for Adobe Photoshop that works > >> with Adobe Camera Raw plug in by Rags Gardner and Thomas Fors. Don't > >> forget to mention the good work made by Thomas Lianza and Eric Chang > >> in the Profile Editor versions. > >> > >> The goal of ACR Calibration Script is to make a report that helps to > >> "certify" the integrity of our master DNG files and its derivatives. > >> > >> What do you want to get with other pieces of software? > >> > >> If you want can try Argyll wrapper Rough Profile by Jose Pereira, > >> Argyll based too Color Camera Calibrator (CoCa) by Andrew S. Long or > >> ACR Calibrator L by Simon Tindemans. I haven't tried the last. > >> > >> On the other hand and for your information: Nikon D90, for example, > >> have not enough gamut to reproduce with the better lens a ColorChecker > >> SG for calibration purpose. > >> > >> Salud > >> > >> Jose Bueno > >> > >> 2011/11/2 Karsten Krüger <kk(a)kkrueger.de>: > >> > > >> > Did several profiles with it (EOS 40, EOS 20, Sony W-Series) and got > >> excellent results. > >> > > >> > Please note: a camera profile tries to eliminate all influence of your > >> light. Images might appear "cold" afterwards. There are some ways to > correct > >> this. Please search the mailing list archive. There was a broad > discussion > >> here in the past. > >> > > >> > > >> > Am 01.11.2011 um 23:48 schrieb Iliah Borg <ib(a)pochtar.com>: > >> > > >> >>> Has anybody used basiccolor Input to create a camera input profile? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> As Emdund already mentioned, you can try the demo version. I was not > >> satisfied with it. > >> >> > >> >> In RPP we use Argyll for user camera profiles, and users do not > >> complain. > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Iliah Borg > >> >> ib(a)pochtar.com > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > >> > Colorsync-users mailing list (Colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com) > >> > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > >> > > >> > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/colorsync-users/jbueno61%40gmail.com > >> > > >> > This email sent to jbueno61(a)gmail.com > >> > > >> > > > > --- original Nachricht Ende ---- > > > > > --- original Nachricht Ende ----

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Re: Re: basiccolor INPUT
by Karsten Krüger 05 Nov '11

05 Nov '11

Jose, Thanks for the info, but there seems to be some misunderstanding. We are talking about camera ICC profiles, not about proprietary Adobe Camera Raw settings (which they confusingly call profiles, too). Karsten ----- original Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re: basiccolor INPUT Gesendet: Sa, 05. Nov 2011 Von: José Ángel Bueno García<jbueno61(a)gmail.com> > The main problem is to keep the master file profiled in a DNG wokflow. > Haven't tried to open a DNG file in a different machine, but it's > supposed that you lose the DNG Profile Editor file that helps to get > fine dE with ACR Calibration Scripts for Adobe Photoshop that works > with Adobe Camera Raw plug in by Rags Gardner and Thomas Fors. Don't > forget to mention the good work made by Thomas Lianza and Eric Chang > in the Profile Editor versions. > > The goal of ACR Calibration Script is to make a report that helps to > "certify" the integrity of our master DNG files and its derivatives. > > What do you want to get with other pieces of software? > > If you want can try Argyll wrapper Rough Profile by Jose Pereira, > Argyll based too Color Camera Calibrator (CoCa) by Andrew S. Long or > ACR Calibrator L by Simon Tindemans. I haven't tried the last. > > On the other hand and for your information: Nikon D90, for example, > have not enough gamut to reproduce with the better lens a ColorChecker > SG for calibration purpose. > > Salud > > Jose Bueno > > 2011/11/2 Karsten Krüger <kk(a)kkrueger.de>: > > > > Did several profiles with it (EOS 40, EOS 20, Sony W-Series) and got > excellent results. > > > > Please note: a camera profile tries to eliminate all influence of your > light. Images might appear "cold" afterwards. There are some ways to correct > this. Please search the mailing list archive. There was a broad discussion > here in the past. > > > > > > Am 01.11.2011 um 23:48 schrieb Iliah Borg <ib(a)pochtar.com>: > > > >>> Has anybody used basiccolor Input to create a camera input profile? > >> > >> > >> As Emdund already mentioned, you can try the demo version. I was not > satisfied with it. > >> > >> In RPP we use Argyll for user camera profiles, and users do not > complain. > >> > >> -- > >> Iliah Borg > >> ib(a)pochtar.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > > Colorsync-users mailing list (Colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com) > > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > > > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/colorsync-users/jbueno61%40gmail.com > > > > This email sent to jbueno61(a)gmail.com > > > --- original Nachricht Ende ----

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Re: Multichannel profiles not working in Photoshop
by Chris Cox 04 Nov '11

04 Nov '11

> At 11:12 AM -0700 11/4/11, Tyler Boley wrote: >> I just built two more from the same data as the two that the OS doesn't like, >> but with medium table size settings instead of large, resulting in profiles >> 4.2 mb in size. The OS, then of course Photoshop, likes them fine... >> I have to conclude there is a profile file size limitation in OSX for >> recognition. Photoshop should recognize profiles up to 2Gig in size. And I've created 50 Meg profiles that work without a hitch. Size shouldn't be an issue -- content might be an issue (if the profile tags point off the end of the profile, if the tags are too small for the specified grid size, etc.). Chris

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Re: Multichannel profiles not working in Photoshop
by Niall Coady 04 Nov '11

04 Nov '11

Hi Tyler, As i am sure you are now aware, Photoshop is not the best platform to use Multichannel profiles. For one, it cannot properly softproof your resulting separation. All the same, please send the profile to me for analysis. I can have a look. I have an idea what it may be but I'll check first and let you know. Frankly, we work with software capable of creating and utilising Multichannel profiles and even Multichannel device links which is unique. I am curious to see how well i1Profiler handles this task. When and if you send me your data, would you kindly let me have your characterisation data and give me a brief outline of how you created the target and measured it etc... All the best Niall Coady MPX360 Ltd Global House 1 Ashley Avenue Epsom, Surrey KT18 5AD T 01372 253 180 D 01372 253 182 F 01372 253 181 M 07740 940459 W Http://www.mpx360.com Disclaimer This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MPX360 Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient, you are advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is prohibited. If you received this email in error, please notify info(a)mpx360.com and remove it from your system On 21 Oct 2011, at 20:03, colorsync-users-request(a)lists.apple.com wrote: >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 19:39:34 -0700 >> From: Tyler Boley <tyler(a)tylerboley.com> >> Subject: Photoshop CS5 and i1Publish multichannel profiles >> To: ColorSync Users Mailing List <colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com> >> Message-ID: <4E9F89E6.1070008(a)tylerboley.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Anyone with any clue about why Photoshop may be picky about some of >> these and not others would be very helpful.

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Profile Editor won't open
by Steve Garlick 04 Nov '11

04 Nov '11

Hi All Due to customer pressure for support, I have had to take the leap to Mac OS X 7 - Lion. To get around the loss of Power PC apps I have created a virtual Mac OS X 5 - Leopard Sever machine in Parallels. All works fine apart from ProfileEditor 5 and ColorPicker 5. I have made sure that the display profile is in the correct place (HD/Library/colorsync/profiles). I have repaired my permissions and even created I profile in ProfileMaker as suggested by X-Rite support but all to no success. Has anybody got amy ideas that might make the apps work? Regards Steve Stephen Garlick Application Specialist Wide Format Fuji Film Europe, Graphics Systems Division Broadstairs Office Pysons Road, Broadstairs, Kent, CT10 2LE United Kingdom. Mobile: +44 (0) 7879658674 E-mail: steve.garlick(a)fujifilmsis.com stephengarlick(a)mac.com URL: www.fujifilmsericol.com

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Re: calibration tool
by Nicholas Ferrings 03 Nov '11

03 Nov '11

Bob, Try a Qubyx application that we are using in our service. It is called PerfectEPD http://perfectlum.com/downloads/?fid=22. Designed for geospatial industry and works well for us. Am 01.11.2011 um 13:46 schrieb Алиса Котляренко<alice_malice(a)mail.ru<http://e.mail.ru/cgi-bin/sentmsg?compose&To=alice_malice@mail.ru> >: > Hi everyone, > > Can you advise a reliable tool for display calibration in defence industry? I need a software to calibrate my display to NGA standard to analyse Satelite images. My application does not support ICC profiles, so the calibration of the display must be very accurate. Thanks! > > Bob

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CD Chart
by Jonathan Crook 03 Nov '11

03 Nov '11

Does anyone have a ready made chart and reference file for profiling a CD printer? I had one years ago but cant seem to find it. Thanks, Jon Crook Director of Professional Services Laser Resources

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calibration tool
by Алиса Котляренко 01 Nov '11

01 Nov '11

Hi everyone, Can you advise a reliable tool for display calibration in defence industry? I need a software to calibrate my display to NGA standard to analyse Satelite images. My application does not support ICC profiles, so the calibration of the display must be very accurate. Thanks! Bob

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