September 2018 - colorsync-users

3D graphing tool
by graxx＠videotron.ca 24 Sep '18

24 Sep '18

Is there anything more < advanced > than PatchTool v6 latest set of 3D graphing tools? I mean, for the money, there's a lot of "power" in that window. I remember using other tools to analyze measurement files and the contents of ICC profile in the past. I always like ICC Examin from a German programmer but it only worked on some old MacOS version. It was designed to work with CinePaint. The feature I liked best was the ability to have the device/Lab values displayed at the bottom of the window as I would hover the mouse over some data points. I see there's an Android version now. I don't suppose I could run Android apps in Windows? (I tried that once and the installed run-time screwed my system so very badly.) / Roger

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ICC profile distribution licensing costs (Graeme Gill)
by Don Hutcheson 11 Sep '18

11 Sep '18

I think I miss-read your post. On re-reading it, I believe what you’re asking is what do the software manufacturers (e.g. X-Rite) charge? My understanding is that there’s only a charge if a printer (or color management consultant) sells a profile, not if they give it away, which would further explain why printers give them away to their customers. Did I understand you correctly this time? ************************** Don Hutcheson President HutchColor, LLC 908-500-0341 don(a)hutchcolor.com ************************** > On Sep 10, 2018, at 15:00 , colorsync-users-request(a)lists.apple.com wrote: > > Send colorsync-users mailing list submissions to > colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/colorsync-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > colorsync-users-request(a)lists.apple.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > colorsync-users-owner(a)lists.apple.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of colorsync-users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. ICC profile distribution licensing costs (Graeme Gill) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 23:07:30 +1000 > From: Graeme Gill <graeme2(a)argyllcms.com> > To: "'colorsync-users?lists.apple.com' List" > <colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com> > Subject: ICC profile distribution licensing costs > Message-ID: <3ef0c149-eec1-5202-890b-ca9ed796b3a1(a)argyllcms.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > This may be a bit of long shot, but I am interested in getting a ballpark > number on ICC profile licensing cost that many commercial color profiling > vendors charge for distributing profiles made with their tools. > > i.e. say you are a printer manufacturer and want to distribute profiles > to your users, what sort of costs are you likely to be up for ? > > [ Feel free to contact me privately if you prefer! ] > > Thanks for any hints or pointers, > > Graeme Gill. > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > colorsync-users mailing list > colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/colorsync-users > > > ------------------------------ > > End of colorsync-users Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71 > ***********************************************

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ICC profile distribution licensing costs (Graeme Gill)
by Don Hutcheson 11 Sep '18

11 Sep '18

Hi Graeme, Not many printers in the US make custom profiles these days. Most just calibrate to G7 and use the standard profiles provided by Idealliance, either GRACoL2006_Coated1v2 or GRACoL2013_CRPC6. Those printers I know who do make custom profiles happily give them to bonafide customers without charge. It’s a cheap way to make sure customer-supplied files are optimized for their own presses. Hope this helps, Don ************************** Don Hutcheson President HutchColor, LLC 908-500-0341 don(a)hutchcolor.com ************************** > On Sep 10, 2018, at 15:00 , colorsync-users-request(a)lists.apple.com wrote: > > Send colorsync-users mailing list submissions to > colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/colorsync-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > colorsync-users-request(a)lists.apple.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > colorsync-users-owner(a)lists.apple.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of colorsync-users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. ICC profile distribution licensing costs (Graeme Gill) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 23:07:30 +1000 > From: Graeme Gill <graeme2(a)argyllcms.com> > To: "'colorsync-users?lists.apple.com' List" > <colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com> > Subject: ICC profile distribution licensing costs > Message-ID: <3ef0c149-eec1-5202-890b-ca9ed796b3a1(a)argyllcms.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > This may be a bit of long shot, but I am interested in getting a ballpark > number on ICC profile licensing cost that many commercial color profiling > vendors charge for distributing profiles made with their tools. > > i.e. say you are a printer manufacturer and want to distribute profiles > to your users, what sort of costs are you likely to be up for ? > > [ Feel free to contact me privately if you prefer! ] > > Thanks for any hints or pointers, > > Graeme Gill. > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > colorsync-users mailing list > colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/colorsync-users > > > ------------------------------ > > End of colorsync-users Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71 > ***********************************************

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ICC Max
by Barry Rudick 10 Sep '18

10 Sep '18

Please let us know more about ICCMax profiles. How do they differ from standard profiles and how are they created? Cheers, Barry Rudick Bayou Fine Art Imaging

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ICC profile distribution licensing costs
by Graeme Gill 10 Sep '18

10 Sep '18

This may be a bit of long shot, but I am interested in getting a ballpark number on ICC profile licensing cost that many commercial color profiling vendors charge for distributing profiles made with their tools. i.e. say you are a printer manufacturer and want to distribute profiles to your users, what sort of costs are you likely to be up for ? [ Feel free to contact me privately if you prefer! ] Thanks for any hints or pointers, Graeme Gill.

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ICC Max
by Randy Zaucha 07 Sep '18

07 Sep '18

Hi All,I too am interested in ICC Max profiles. My focus is improved spot color accuracy for large format printers and press proofing of non-CMYK only ink sets. As we know, many designers will specify non-100% spot colors only and various levels of spots on top of one another. My concern is the ability (or non-ability) of press proofing systems to predict these results on press when Pantone colors are reduced from solid or mixed with each other. My understanding is that these new Max profiles can make the printer Rip's spot color library more accurate on media and additionally to what the press will print. Has anyone experienced any pros or cons with the Max profiles regarding spot color proofing/printing? Randy ZauchaManaged Color

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iccMAX content
by Scott Martin 07 Sep '18

07 Sep '18

I’ve been playing around with iccMAX profiles in ONYX 18 with some large gamut (betaRGB and ProPhotoRGB) content but thus far am not seeing much if any differences. Does anyone have any content that illustrates a visual improvement for iccMAX profiles? Scott Martin www.on-sight.com Precise color science for printmaking professionals

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Re: PSO Coated v3 separations
by Martin Orpen 04 Sep '18

04 Sep '18

> On 24 Aug 2018, at 07:28, Andreas Kraushaar <Kraushaar(a)fogra.org> wrote: > > if you are close to Munich I invite you to see that what you (can) see on screen is what you get on print. Softproofing is working (both for F39 and F51). You don’t need to travel further than your screen. Open the BVDM Roman16 image with the blue background. We don’t want more magenta than yellow in her skin — you don’t get that in 39 — but that’s what you get with 51… and then expect it to print well on a blue paper! Convert the same image to 51 in ColorServer and then try explaining the difference to a bewildered client. -- Martin Orpen Idea Digital Imaging Ltd

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