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by Roberta Morehouse 17 Nov '21

17 Nov '21

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Re: The State of Color Management Today
by Mike Strickler 10 Nov '21

10 Nov '21

Hi Karl, Good to hear from you. Actually, I was referring to the more utilitarian CMYK-CMYK DLP once in widespread use in better prepress departments, along with graphics-quality monitors (properly calibrated and profiled) and at least a modicum of color knowledge. Commercial print, aside from packaging, is a shrinking industry that does not attract quite the attention of software developers it once did, nor as many talented, creative young people looking for a career with growth opportunities. Consolidation and increasing bureaucracy have also taken their toll on employee training and innovation. Like you, I’ve been fortunate in being able to work with the sharpest, most creative minds in color management and applied color science today, and some pretty great clients, and now have the tools to resolve questions we barely knew how to ask twenty years ago. This stands in ironic contrast to the general lack of understanding of their purpose. Meanwhile, it is indeed refreshing to take a swim now and then in clean, pure, RGB waters with those photographers, artists, printmakers, and others for whom color has but three numbers and is an important means of expression. Thank you for your many years of service and contributions to the graphic arts community. Stay in touch. Best, Mike Mike Strickler MSP Graphic Services mike(a)mspgraphics.com 707.321.7855 > On Nov 10, 2021, at 6:07 AM, Karl Koch <basicc(a)me.com> wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > try to convert an RGB file to CMYK using a device link profile in Photoshop and you know, why this type of profile is being ignored by the majority of users ;) > > I´still into color management and it is still exciting. I just dropped the printing side of it, photography (museums, archives, pro-photographers) is much more rewarding. Profiling cameras and calibrating/profiling monitors is where the color journey starts and most users are familiar with the GIGO principle (gabage in, garbage ot – for those who are not). > > Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards / Bien cordialement / Cariñosos saludos / Cumprimentos / I migliori saluti / Met vriendelijke groet/ Med venlig hilsen / С уважением / مخلص تمہارا / تحية طيبة / 最好的问候 / よろしくお願いします。 > Karl Koch > > <basICColor_logo.png> > > Ingenieurbüro > Dipl.-Ing. Karl Koch > Falkenstraße 13 • D-82377 Penzberg • +49 8856 9376230 • mobile +49-172 8195356 • kk(a)basiccolor.de <mailto:kk@basiccolor.de> • www.basiccolor.de <http://basiccolor.de/> • USt-ID: DE325389806 > > <banner.jpg> > > VERTRAULICHE INFORMATION: Diese Email enthält vertrauliche Informationen und ist nur für den in der Email genannten Adressaten bestimmt. Für den Fall, dass der Empfänger dieser Email nicht der in der Email benannte Adressat ist, weisen wir darauf hin, dass das Lesen, Kopieren, die Wiedergabe, Verbreitung, Vervielfältigung, Bekanntmachung, Veränderung, Verteilung und/oder Veröffentlichung der Email strengstens untersagt ist. Falls Sie irrtümlich diese Email erhalten haben, verständigen Sie bitte den Absender. > CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION: This email is confidential and legally privileged. The correspondence and information herein is intended solely for the addressee/s. Access to this email or documents attached to this email by anyone else is unauthorized and illegal. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, distribution, copying or any action taken or omitted to be taken in dependence on it, is prohibited and unlawful. > >> Am 04.11.2021 um 23:35 schrieb Mike Strickler via colorsync-users <colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com <mailto:colorsync-users@lists.apple.com>>: >> >> Thank you, Don, for all your contributions to FRACoL and F7. >> >> My observation of the general situation in commercial print is that there is a widening gap between the capabilities of of available solutions and the level of knowledge and implementation by users. To take one example as an indication, I rarely encounter a prepress manager who knows what a device link profile is and nearly none that uses them, in spite of the fact that color cannot be properly managed in a conventional printing operation without them. Thanks to the efforts of Don and others, printers have a much better idea how to print optimally and consistently. One can do a great deal without CM when inks and press operation are already standardized and simply need to be used within specifications, targeted to standardized appearance values. But when needed adjustments exceed what is available through density controls and curves alone (for example when FM screening or hi-fi inks are used), there is little understanding of required steps upstream. The work of the ICC and software developers have given us nearly unlimited control over the color workflow, but that is not where the limitaions now lie. >> >> Photographers and wide-format printers are much more interested in CM general, because it is an obvious requirement for printing RGB and CMYK images on inkjet and other “nontraditional” devices if acceptable results are to be expected. These curious folks are well represented on this forum, and it is still a good and useful place to be. >> >> >> Mike Strickler >> mike(a)mspgraphics.com <mailto:mike@mspgraphics.com> <mailto:mike@mspgraphics.com <mailto:mike@mspgraphics.com>> >> 707.321.7855 >> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 2 >>>> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 10:17:43 -0400 >>>> From: Don Hutcheson <don(a)hutchcolor.com <mailto:don@hutchcolor.com>> >>>> To: colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com <mailto:colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> >>>> Subject: Re: colorsync-users Digest, Vol 18, Issue 14 >>>> Message-ID: <3EDE6901-7B47-4893-956F-7F245B947AC1(a)hutchcolor.com <mailto:3EDE6901-7B47-4893-956F-7F245B947AC1@hutchcolor.com>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>>> >>>> It?s a credit to the original ICC vision, the passionate software writers and the crazy-brave pioneering users, that color management has been integrated under the hood of virtually all color workflows. >>>> It?s hard to find a desktop printer or monitor that doesn?t produce pleasing color from Photoshop, regardless of the image source. >>>> At the commercial level, standardized color spaces like FRACoL and gogra plus G7 calibration have largely eliminated the old problems we pre-press/ pressroom wallahs used to tackle. >>>> But most of the improvement can be attributed to digital cameras and the astonishingly good image quality produced by today?s cell phone cameras. >>>> >>>> Having said all that, there?s still a need for technical curiosity and ever more demanding problem identifiers like Refik. If we let go of the reins, economic corner-cutting will reduce everything to some low common denominator. Hopefully passionate photographers (which is what printing?s all about) will never stand for that. >>>> >>>> Don Hutcheson >>>> don(a)hutchcolor.com <mailto:don@hutchcolor.com> >>>> 908-500-0341 >>>> (Typos courtesy of iPhone's teeny-tiny keyboard and not-so tiny thumbs) >>>> >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> colorsync-users mailing list (colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com <mailto:colorsync-users@lists.apple.com>) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/colorsync-users/basicc%40me.com <https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/colorsync-users/basicc%40me.com> >> >> This email sent to basicc(a)me.com >

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by Roberta Morehouse 09 Nov '21

09 Nov '21

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just testing, this list seems deceased?
by Neil Barstow 05 Nov '21

05 Nov '21

just testing, this list seems deceased?

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The State of Color Management Today
by Mike Strickler 04 Nov '21

04 Nov '21

Thank you, Don, for all your contributions to FRACoL and F7. My observation of the general situation in commercial print is that there is a widening gap between the capabilities of of available solutions and the level of knowledge and implementation by users. To take one example as an indication, I rarely encounter a prepress manager who knows what a device link profile is and nearly none that uses them, in spite of the fact that color cannot be properly managed in a conventional printing operation without them. Thanks to the efforts of Don and others, printers have a much better idea how to print optimally and consistently. One can do a great deal without CM when inks and press operation are already standardized and simply need to be used within specifications, targeted to standardized appearance values. But when needed adjustments exceed what is available through density controls and curves alone (for example when FM screening or hi-fi inks are used), there is little understanding of required steps upstream. The work of the ICC and software developers have given us nearly unlimited control over the color workflow, but that is not where the limitaions now lie. Photographers and wide-format printers are much more interested in CM general, because it is an obvious requirement for printing RGB and CMYK images on inkjet and other “nontraditional” devices if acceptable results are to be expected. These curious folks are well represented on this forum, and it is still a good and useful place to be. Mike Strickler mike(a)mspgraphics.com <mailto:mike@mspgraphics.com> 707.321.7855 >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 10:17:43 -0400 >> From: Don Hutcheson <don(a)hutchcolor.com> >> To: colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com >> Subject: Re: colorsync-users Digest, Vol 18, Issue 14 >> Message-ID: <3EDE6901-7B47-4893-956F-7F245B947AC1(a)hutchcolor.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> It?s a credit to the original ICC vision, the passionate software writers and the crazy-brave pioneering users, that color management has been integrated under the hood of virtually all color workflows. >> It?s hard to find a desktop printer or monitor that doesn?t produce pleasing color from Photoshop, regardless of the image source. >> At the commercial level, standardized color spaces like FRACoL and gogra plus G7 calibration have largely eliminated the old problems we pre-press/ pressroom wallahs used to tackle. >> But most of the improvement can be attributed to digital cameras and the astonishingly good image quality produced by today?s cell phone cameras. >> >> Having said all that, there?s still a need for technical curiosity and ever more demanding problem identifiers like Refik. If we let go of the reins, economic corner-cutting will reduce everything to some low common denominator. Hopefully passionate photographers (which is what printing?s all about) will never stand for that. >> >> Don Hutcheson >> don(a)hutchcolor.com >> 908-500-0341 >> (Typos courtesy of iPhone's teeny-tiny keyboard and not-so tiny thumbs) >> >>

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by Roberta Morehouse 04 Nov '21

04 Nov '21

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Aw: just testing, this list seems deceased?
by Rolf Gierling 03 Nov '21

03 Nov '21

Actually found this in my archives. Well, 24 years. Lots of things changed. The ColorSync developer documentation has gone long time ago, the ColorSync API is deprecated since years. And even the messages before 1999 have disappeared of the lists archive ;-( But I'm still in that business. Remember that OS X 10.3 allowed for absolute colorimetric system-wide for your display? Wonder if John Gnaegy is still our moderator. Rolf > Von: Majordomo(a)public.lists.apple.com > Betreff: Welcome to colorsync-users > Datum: 26. Oktober 1997 um 13:58:10 MEZ > An: Rolf.Gierling@xxx > Antwort an: Majordomo(a)public.lists.apple.com > > -- > > Welcome to the colorsync-users mailing list! > > Please save this message for future reference. Thank you. > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > send the following command in email to > <colorsync-users-request(a)public.lists.apple.com>: > > unsubscribe ----------------------------------------------------- Multitools Dipl.-Ing. Rolf Gierling Colormanagement Development - Consulting - Distribution Alt-Haarener Straße 16 52080 Aachen Germany Tel. +49 2 41 - 4 01 25 79 Fax. +49 2 41 - 4 01 25 83 mail(a)multitools-online.de www.multitools-online.de Author of "Farbmanagement" 3rd Edition July 2006 mitp Verlag, Bonn ISBN 3-8266-1626-X

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Re: colorsync-users Digest, Vol 18, Issue 15
by Gerry Yaeger 03 Nov '21

03 Nov '21

Hey Andrew, I remember back in the late 70’s or early 80” we were all having dinner after a trade show day (maybe PMA) and someone remarked “Someday soon we will all be out of work because Color Management will be done automatically by the OS.” Gerry Yaeger gyaeger(a)mac.com www.TheDigitalCoach.com > On Nov 3, 2021, at 2:00 PM, colorsync-users-request(a)lists.apple.com wrote: > > Send colorsync-users mailing list submissions to > colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/colorsync-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > colorsync-users-request(a)lists.apple.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > colorsync-users-owner(a)lists.apple.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of colorsync-users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: just testing, this list seems deceased? (Walker Blackwell) > 2. Re: colorsync-users Digest, Vol 18, Issue 14 (Don Hutcheson) > 3. Still alive (Marc Sitkin) > 4. Re: just testing, this list seems deceased? (Andrew Rodney) > 5. Re: just testing, this list seems deceased? (Paul Schilliger) > (Paul Schilliger) > 6. Re: just testing, this list seems deceased? (Scott Martin) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 08:20:30 -0400 > From: Walker Blackwell <forums(a)walkerblackwell.com> > To: Jon Meyer <jonmeyer(a)grafixgear.com> > Cc: Refik Telhan <rtelhan(a)icloud.com>, edmund ronald > <edmundronald(a)gmail.com>, ColorSync <colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com> > Subject: Re: just testing, this list seems deceased? > Message-ID: <FAFF0E61-8712-4C05-ADFD-290132D09A3C(a)walkerblackwell.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Maybe it?s because the AppleCMM/ColorSync needs to fix how it handles (or rather breaks) Black Point Compensation with xrite v4 iccs . . . > > Pun aside, I think people are migrating away from ink-on-paper and into screens. This is an old-school forum right here so the momentum has gone elsewhere . . > > -Walker > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 10:17:43 -0400 > From: Don Hutcheson <don(a)hutchcolor.com> > To: colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com > Subject: Re: colorsync-users Digest, Vol 18, Issue 14 > Message-ID: <3EDE6901-7B47-4893-956F-7F245B947AC1(a)hutchcolor.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > It?s a credit to the original ICC vision, the passionate software writers and the crazy-brave pioneering users, that color management has been integrated under the hood of virtually all color workflows. > It?s hard to find a desktop printer or monitor that doesn?t produce pleasing color from Photoshop, regardless of the image source. > At the commercial level, standardized color spaces like FRACoL and gogra plus G7 calibration have largely eliminated the old problems we pre-press/ pressroom wallahs used to tackle. > But most of the improvement can be attributed to digital cameras and the astonishingly good image quality produced by today?s cell phone cameras. > > Having said all that, there?s still a need for technical curiosity and ever more demanding problem identifiers like Refik. If we let go of the reins, economic corner-cutting will reduce everything to some low common denominator. Hopefully passionate photographers (which is what printing?s all about) will never stand for that. > > Don Hutcheson > don(a)hutchcolor.com > 908-500-0341 > (Typos courtesy of iPhone's teeny-tiny keyboard and not-so tiny thumbs) > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 10:21:13 -0400 > From: Marc Sitkin <marcsitkin(a)gmail.com> > To: colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com > Subject: Still alive > Message-ID: > <CAB+XJnjgEK87PfEdu7c9TcWy8aj46Wg6ODTH9wHak5mT+MGT5w(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hello to all of you. I retired six years ago from a long career in > photography and graphic arts. I followed this list for many years after > learning of it at a color management conference in Phoenix in the 2000's. > Lots of great discussion and opportunities to learn over the years. > > I still do a lot of photography, and a little bit of printing at home. > I still run across a bit of color management over on the pixls.us > <https://discuss.pixls.us/> forum. I can see a whole new generation > interested in the world of color management, but most don't know of this > mail list. > > Hope everyone is well, and thanks for the many interesting years. > > -- > Marc Sitkin > 50 images from Iceland 2021 > <https://marcsitkin.smugmug.com/Iceland/Iceland-2021-50-Images/> > Marc Sitkin Photography Web Site <http://marcsitkin.smugmug.com> > Instagram <https://www.instagram.com/marcsitkin/> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 07:25:37 -0700 > From: Andrew Rodney <andrew(a)digitaldog.net> > To: Jon Meyer <jonmeyer(a)grafixgear.com> > Cc: Refik Telhan <rtelhan(a)icloud.com>, edmund ronald > <edmundronald(a)gmail.com>, Colorsync List > <colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com> > Subject: Re: just testing, this list seems deceased? > Message-ID: <B3CD96BE-B6E3-4D08-8C62-5D152DBAE524(a)digitaldog.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > On Nov 3, 2021, at 4:59 AM, Jon Meyer via colorsync-users <colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com> wrote: >> >> ?How many remember the halcyon days of big color guy parties, such as the Gretag NDA intro of the i1 in Orlando? > > Or have those old, ugly ( Coloratti orangish) Jackets? > I have mine, it still hasn?t been worn since provided for obvious color reasons <g>. > > Andrew > Sent from my iPad > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 15:38:35 +0100 > From: Paul Schilliger <pschilliger(a)sunrise.ch> > To: colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com > Subject: Re: just testing, this list seems deceased? (Paul Schilliger) > Message-ID: <4c4b2db2-0f6f-75e7-4513-e3a2a78de750(a)sunrise.ch> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Hi All, > > Still online but much less active. > The questions raised by some of the modest endeavours of the past, which you helped me sorting, have evolved to mostly preserving the assets, since retired now and no longer paid. Time perhaps for some long delayed personal projects such as digitalizing an enormous stock of slides (maybe if God lends me time). The gear has been long prepared but forces have to be found. Also working on some retrospectives and more personal stories. > > Progress has been welcome for years, but since it overtook on my capabilities to use the tools some years ago already, I am now mostly concerned by how I can keep my daily routines alive. I purchased what I hoped was my last new Mac until a long time in 2018, to be able to run safe Mojave and use the CS6 apps like Dreamweaver and In Design, without entering the fast and furious race of today. I subscribed to LR and PS though, which for a modest fee allow me to process RAW files from some of the late cameras and have also an improved stitching tool that I much appreciate and use. But a dreaded update message came the other day: New LR and PS versions are incompatible with Mojave and require at least 10.15. I may not benefit from some of the newer features, but what I have is in fact far enough for what I do, at least for the time being, until I may be teased or forced into something new. > > So since the list has been also open to question which do not closely relate to colour consistency, maybe I'll pump into the knowledge base and ask a few questions in the future. Forums like Adobe and Apple on gear and software, are now reluctant to treat questions raised by non up to date users. I always think of the print-shop I was working with some years ago, which were running computers and software outdated by at least four years. So maybe I'll find some fellow runners here ? ? > > In any case, it's been a pleasure. > > Cheers and kind regards. > Paul Schilliger > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 09:51:14 -0500 > From: Scott Martin <scott(a)on-sight.com> > To: colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com > Subject: Re: just testing, this list seems deceased? > Message-ID: <EA201A86-D97C-4F22-9FEF-64FE6064F194(a)on-sight.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > >> How many remember the halcyon days of big color guy parties, such as the Gretag NDA intro of the i1 in Orlando? > > Yes, and the i3forum in Laguna Beach and the ACN network of ColorSync Consultants? ?ColorSync? really isn?t a relevant term anymore is it? It?s a relic of a bygone era. > >> It would be interesting to find how many of that gang stayed in the biz through Covid. > > Still in the biz and doing more interesting projects than ever. COVID was the wrench in the machine I needed. Putting a stop to being on the road 5+ days a week was amazing and allowed me to think more about what I?d really like to focus my time on. > > I?ve never been very interested in the G7 offset press calibration side of things. I?ve always been more focused on large format printing processes that picky art market clients use (solvent, latex, UV and dyesub), the artwork capture side of things, and techniques to get perfect reproductions. While getting the most out of aqueous inkjet is long put to bed, people still struggle with solvent and dyesub in particular and the RIPs haven?t raised the bar to help these users, sadly. > > It?s the capture side of things that's really so exciting and has seen so much improvement in recent years. 4 point lighting systems with exquisite polarization, camera profiling, workflow tweaking and colorimetric ?E reports is all really exciting to master. This along with today?s 100/400 megapixel cameras allows us to document work quickly at insane detail. Today?s cloud based databases make managing collections a lovely experience and combining gigapixel viewing within them is still just starting to come to market. Adobe has leapfrogged Capture One with a few key technologies. It?s an exciting area where there?s a lot happening? > > And there?s a lot of imaging workflows that are being moved to the cloud. I?m seeing my larger clients intake customer files online, process images in the cloud (including color management) and run through the appropriate printer RIPs often with CM turned off. The cloud is the smart big brain and the RIPs are dumb passthrough workstations. So that?s another exciting area seeing a lot of growth right now. > > On a personal level, I?m fairly excited at how much better the i1Pro3 is from the 1Pro2 and how easy it is to take M3 measurements with the i1Pro3plus. These tools are fast and affordable and the end results speak for themselves. And Apple Silicon! ColorSync is gonna rock on that M1Max 16? laptop next week I'm sure? Getting the Quadra 660av was the last time I was as excited about getting a new machine. > >> Conjecture and chatter are that we are down to perhaps 10%. > > > Thank god for that ;-p I think the argumentative big egos and chest beating have driven people away. I do so miss those early days of inquisitive discussions with open sharing. Tip of the hat to all of you - you know who you are. > > Scott Martin > www.on-sight.com > Imaging Science for Art > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > colorsync-users mailing list > colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/colorsync-users > > > ------------------------------ > > End of colorsync-users Digest, Vol 18, Issue 15 > ***********************************************

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Re: just testing, this list seems deceased? (Paul Schilliger)
by Paul Schilliger 03 Nov '21

03 Nov '21

Hi All, Still online but much less active. The questions raised by some of the modest endeavours of the past, which you helped me sorting, have evolved to mostly preserving the assets, since retired now and no longer paid. Time perhaps for some long delayed personal projects such as digitalizing an enormous stock of slides (maybe if God lends me time). The gear has been long prepared but forces have to be found. Also working on some retrospectives and more personal stories. Progress has been welcome for years, but since it overtook on my capabilities to use the tools some years ago already, I am now mostly concerned by how I can keep my daily routines alive. I purchased what I hoped was my last new Mac until a long time in 2018, to be able to run safe Mojave and use the CS6 apps like Dreamweaver and In Design, without entering the fast and furious race of today. I subscribed to LR and PS though, which for a modest fee allow me to process RAW files from some of the late cameras and have also an improved stitching tool that I much appreciate and use. But a dreaded update message came the other day: New LR and PS versions are incompatible with Mojave and require at least 10.15. I may not benefit from some of the newer features, but what I have is in fact far enough for what I do, at least for the time being, until I may be teased or forced into something new. So since the list has been also open to question which do not closely relate to colour consistency, maybe I'll pump into the knowledge base and ask a few questions in the future. Forums like Adobe and Apple on gear and software, are now reluctant to treat questions raised by non up to date users. I always think of the print-shop I was working with some years ago, which were running computers and software outdated by at least four years. So maybe I'll find some fellow runners here ? … In any case, it's been a pleasure. Cheers and kind regards. Paul Schilliger

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Still alive
by Marc Sitkin 03 Nov '21

03 Nov '21

Hello to all of you. I retired six years ago from a long career in photography and graphic arts. I followed this list for many years after learning of it at a color management conference in Phoenix in the 2000's. Lots of great discussion and opportunities to learn over the years. I still do a lot of photography, and a little bit of printing at home. I still run across a bit of color management over on the pixls.us <https://discuss.pixls.us/> forum. I can see a whole new generation interested in the world of color management, but most don't know of this mail list. Hope everyone is well, and thanks for the many interesting years. -- Marc Sitkin 50 images from Iceland 2021 <https://marcsitkin.smugmug.com/Iceland/Iceland-2021-50-Images/> Marc Sitkin Photography Web Site <http://marcsitkin.smugmug.com> Instagram <https://www.instagram.com/marcsitkin/>

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