I think trying to convert Mr. Robinson falls under the same category as try to teach a pig to sing. "It wastes the farmers time and pisses off the pig." Regards, Gerry Yaeger www.TheDigitalCoach.com Now offering web based training. On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:59 PM, colorsync-users-request@lists.apple.com wrote:
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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2014 18:14:58 -0600 From: Andrew Rodney <andrew@digitaldog.net> To: John Robinson <jrswebhome@yahoo.com> Cc: "colorsync-users@lists.apple.com" <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> Subject: Re: If it looks white on your uncalibrated display, yes it is lying. Message-ID: <21F04912-2E5C-44AE-ACB7-D07E8D5B2EBB@digitaldog.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:12 PM, John Robinson <jrswebhome@yahoo.com> wrote:
So the world viewing on un-calibrated screens are wrong and you are right.
It depends on how the original data was created and handled, something you still don't seem to understand.
Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/
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Message: 2 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2014 17:21:03 -0700 From: Ben Goren <ben@trumpetpower.com> To: John Robert Robinson <jrswebhome@yahoo.com> Cc: "colorsync-users@lists.apple.com" <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> Subject: Re: If it looks white on your uncalibrated display, yes it is lying. Message-ID: <24F9108D-2F31-409F-BF98-242E630971F5@trumpetpower.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
On Jun 6, 2014, at 4:53 PM, John Robert Robinson <jrswebhome@yahoo.com> wrote:
Excluding print media, if no one viewing your calibration work is calibrated, what value is your calibration?
I already addressed that. The display industry has, for the most part, adopted sRGB as something of a standard, and, mostly, new devices are and for some time have been factory calibrated to within shouting distance of sRGB. Therefore, if your own workflow is color managed, if you output your files as sRGB you'll be targeting results that roughly fall in line with what most devices mostly will display.
If, on the other hand, your workflow is *not* color managed, then you'll be "baking" your deviation from standard into all your work. For example, if your display has an excessively high white point color temperature and your ambient light is incandescent, you may well overcompensate by making things yellower and redder than you otherwise would, and the majority of your viewers will wonder why your pictures have a "vintage" faded look to them.
Will your images look perfect on all devices if you adopt an ideal managed workflow? No, of course not. As I mentioned, even _National_Geographic_ looks bad in dim incandescent light, and equally bad in cheap incandescent light. But they still carefully target the standards (which are, not coincidentally, a close proxy for daylight) and that's a big part of the reason why their reputation is what it deservedly is.
Cheers,
b&