Hey Andrew, I remember back in the late 70’s or early 80” we were all having dinner after a trade show day (maybe PMA) and someone remarked “Someday soon we will all be out of work because Color Management will be done automatically by the OS.” Gerry Yaeger gyaeger@mac.com www.TheDigitalCoach.com
On Nov 3, 2021, at 2:00 PM, colorsync-users-request@lists.apple.com wrote:
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1. Re: just testing, this list seems deceased? (Walker Blackwell) 2. Re: colorsync-users Digest, Vol 18, Issue 14 (Don Hutcheson) 3. Still alive (Marc Sitkin) 4. Re: just testing, this list seems deceased? (Andrew Rodney) 5. Re: just testing, this list seems deceased? (Paul Schilliger) (Paul Schilliger) 6. Re: just testing, this list seems deceased? (Scott Martin)
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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 08:20:30 -0400 From: Walker Blackwell <forums@walkerblackwell.com> To: Jon Meyer <jonmeyer@grafixgear.com> Cc: Refik Telhan <rtelhan@icloud.com>, edmund ronald <edmundronald@gmail.com>, ColorSync <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> Subject: Re: just testing, this list seems deceased? Message-ID: <FAFF0E61-8712-4C05-ADFD-290132D09A3C@walkerblackwell.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Maybe it?s because the AppleCMM/ColorSync needs to fix how it handles (or rather breaks) Black Point Compensation with xrite v4 iccs . . .
Pun aside, I think people are migrating away from ink-on-paper and into screens. This is an old-school forum right here so the momentum has gone elsewhere . .
-Walker
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Message: 2 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 10:17:43 -0400 From: Don Hutcheson <don@hutchcolor.com> To: colorsync-users@lists.apple.com Subject: Re: colorsync-users Digest, Vol 18, Issue 14 Message-ID: <3EDE6901-7B47-4893-956F-7F245B947AC1@hutchcolor.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
It?s a credit to the original ICC vision, the passionate software writers and the crazy-brave pioneering users, that color management has been integrated under the hood of virtually all color workflows. It?s hard to find a desktop printer or monitor that doesn?t produce pleasing color from Photoshop, regardless of the image source. At the commercial level, standardized color spaces like FRACoL and gogra plus G7 calibration have largely eliminated the old problems we pre-press/ pressroom wallahs used to tackle. But most of the improvement can be attributed to digital cameras and the astonishingly good image quality produced by today?s cell phone cameras.
Having said all that, there?s still a need for technical curiosity and ever more demanding problem identifiers like Refik. If we let go of the reins, economic corner-cutting will reduce everything to some low common denominator. Hopefully passionate photographers (which is what printing?s all about) will never stand for that.
Don Hutcheson don@hutchcolor.com 908-500-0341 (Typos courtesy of iPhone's teeny-tiny keyboard and not-so tiny thumbs)
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Message: 3 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 10:21:13 -0400 From: Marc Sitkin <marcsitkin@gmail.com> To: colorsync-users@lists.apple.com Subject: Still alive Message-ID: <CAB+XJnjgEK87PfEdu7c9TcWy8aj46Wg6ODTH9wHak5mT+MGT5w@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Hello to all of you. I retired six years ago from a long career in photography and graphic arts. I followed this list for many years after learning of it at a color management conference in Phoenix in the 2000's. Lots of great discussion and opportunities to learn over the years.
I still do a lot of photography, and a little bit of printing at home. I still run across a bit of color management over on the pixls.us <https://discuss.pixls.us/> forum. I can see a whole new generation interested in the world of color management, but most don't know of this mail list.
Hope everyone is well, and thanks for the many interesting years.
-- Marc Sitkin 50 images from Iceland 2021 <https://marcsitkin.smugmug.com/Iceland/Iceland-2021-50-Images/> Marc Sitkin Photography Web Site <http://marcsitkin.smugmug.com> Instagram <https://www.instagram.com/marcsitkin/>
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Message: 4 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 07:25:37 -0700 From: Andrew Rodney <andrew@digitaldog.net> To: Jon Meyer <jonmeyer@grafixgear.com> Cc: Refik Telhan <rtelhan@icloud.com>, edmund ronald <edmundronald@gmail.com>, Colorsync List <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> Subject: Re: just testing, this list seems deceased? Message-ID: <B3CD96BE-B6E3-4D08-8C62-5D152DBAE524@digitaldog.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
On Nov 3, 2021, at 4:59 AM, Jon Meyer via colorsync-users <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> wrote:
?How many remember the halcyon days of big color guy parties, such as the Gretag NDA intro of the i1 in Orlando?
Or have those old, ugly ( Coloratti orangish) Jackets? I have mine, it still hasn?t been worn since provided for obvious color reasons <g>.
Andrew Sent from my iPad
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Message: 5 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 15:38:35 +0100 From: Paul Schilliger <pschilliger@sunrise.ch> To: colorsync-users@lists.apple.com Subject: Re: just testing, this list seems deceased? (Paul Schilliger) Message-ID: <4c4b2db2-0f6f-75e7-4513-e3a2a78de750@sunrise.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Hi All,
Still online but much less active. The questions raised by some of the modest endeavours of the past, which you helped me sorting, have evolved to mostly preserving the assets, since retired now and no longer paid. Time perhaps for some long delayed personal projects such as digitalizing an enormous stock of slides (maybe if God lends me time). The gear has been long prepared but forces have to be found. Also working on some retrospectives and more personal stories.
Progress has been welcome for years, but since it overtook on my capabilities to use the tools some years ago already, I am now mostly concerned by how I can keep my daily routines alive. I purchased what I hoped was my last new Mac until a long time in 2018, to be able to run safe Mojave and use the CS6 apps like Dreamweaver and In Design, without entering the fast and furious race of today. I subscribed to LR and PS though, which for a modest fee allow me to process RAW files from some of the late cameras and have also an improved stitching tool that I much appreciate and use. But a dreaded update message came the other day: New LR and PS versions are incompatible with Mojave and require at least 10.15. I may not benefit from some of the newer features, but what I have is in fact far enough for what I do, at least for the time being, until I may be teased or forced into something new.
So since the list has been also open to question which do not closely relate to colour consistency, maybe I'll pump into the knowledge base and ask a few questions in the future. Forums like Adobe and Apple on gear and software, are now reluctant to treat questions raised by non up to date users. I always think of the print-shop I was working with some years ago, which were running computers and software outdated by at least four years. So maybe I'll find some fellow runners here ? ?
In any case, it's been a pleasure.
Cheers and kind regards. Paul Schilliger
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Message: 6 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 09:51:14 -0500 From: Scott Martin <scott@on-sight.com> To: colorsync-users@lists.apple.com Subject: Re: just testing, this list seems deceased? Message-ID: <EA201A86-D97C-4F22-9FEF-64FE6064F194@on-sight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
How many remember the halcyon days of big color guy parties, such as the Gretag NDA intro of the i1 in Orlando?
Yes, and the i3forum in Laguna Beach and the ACN network of ColorSync Consultants? ?ColorSync? really isn?t a relevant term anymore is it? It?s a relic of a bygone era.
It would be interesting to find how many of that gang stayed in the biz through Covid.
Still in the biz and doing more interesting projects than ever. COVID was the wrench in the machine I needed. Putting a stop to being on the road 5+ days a week was amazing and allowed me to think more about what I?d really like to focus my time on.
I?ve never been very interested in the G7 offset press calibration side of things. I?ve always been more focused on large format printing processes that picky art market clients use (solvent, latex, UV and dyesub), the artwork capture side of things, and techniques to get perfect reproductions. While getting the most out of aqueous inkjet is long put to bed, people still struggle with solvent and dyesub in particular and the RIPs haven?t raised the bar to help these users, sadly.
It?s the capture side of things that's really so exciting and has seen so much improvement in recent years. 4 point lighting systems with exquisite polarization, camera profiling, workflow tweaking and colorimetric ?E reports is all really exciting to master. This along with today?s 100/400 megapixel cameras allows us to document work quickly at insane detail. Today?s cloud based databases make managing collections a lovely experience and combining gigapixel viewing within them is still just starting to come to market. Adobe has leapfrogged Capture One with a few key technologies. It?s an exciting area where there?s a lot happening?
And there?s a lot of imaging workflows that are being moved to the cloud. I?m seeing my larger clients intake customer files online, process images in the cloud (including color management) and run through the appropriate printer RIPs often with CM turned off. The cloud is the smart big brain and the RIPs are dumb passthrough workstations. So that?s another exciting area seeing a lot of growth right now.
On a personal level, I?m fairly excited at how much better the i1Pro3 is from the 1Pro2 and how easy it is to take M3 measurements with the i1Pro3plus. These tools are fast and affordable and the end results speak for themselves. And Apple Silicon! ColorSync is gonna rock on that M1Max 16? laptop next week I'm sure? Getting the Quadra 660av was the last time I was as excited about getting a new machine.
Conjecture and chatter are that we are down to perhaps 10%.
Thank god for that ;-p I think the argumentative big egos and chest beating have driven people away. I do so miss those early days of inquisitive discussions with open sharing. Tip of the hat to all of you - you know who you are.
Scott Martin www.on-sight.com Imaging Science for Art
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