Jose, There are two different concepts: 1) Camera profiles based on ICC / ColorSync standards 2) Settings files for Adobe Camera Raw and associated products (like DNG Profile Editor) called profiles by Adobe 1) is a cross product international standard. ICC profiles are used by Photoshop and other image editors for a lot of purposes (like color managing printers, scanners etc.). The discussion with Iliah Borg was about this type of profiles. With ICC profiles you have some software to create printer profiles (they are output optimized) or scanner & camera profiles (which are input optimized). ICC profiles describe the color gamut of a color device, so in our case the color gamut of a digital camera. 2) is an optimized settings file for Adobe Camera Raw and associated products. They only work in this environment. These DNG profiles describe Camera Raw settings, nothing else. Adobe calls them profiles, which creates a lot of confusion among users. Bottom line: While both "profiles" try to achieve similar goals on a first glimpse, workflows, contents and environments are very different. Hope this helps, Karsten ----- original Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re: Re: basiccolor INPUT Gesendet: Sa, 05. Nov 2011 Von: José Ángel Bueno García<jbueno61@gmail.com>
Hello Karsten:
Maybe my level of english is not good enough to be clear.
The only "propietary" profiling software is endeed DNG Profile Editor with .dcp extention. But I was talking about a DNG workflow that you have rejected, and where I suppose you will return in brief. If it isn't so, please tell me your solution in the future.
And for what I know, Rough Profiler and CoCa produce ICC profiles to use in tiff files.
Add to the list PictoColor inCamera Adobe Photoshop plug in and X-Rite i1Match with a ColorChecker SG.
Salud
Jose Bueno
El día 5 de noviembre de 2011 09:08, Karsten Krüger <kk@kkrueger.de> escribió:
Jose,
Thanks for the info, but there seems to be some misunderstanding. We are talking about camera ICC profiles, not about proprietary Adobe Camera Raw settings (which they confusingly call profiles, too).
Karsten
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The main problem is to keep the master file profiled in a DNG wokflow. Haven't tried to open a DNG file in a different machine, but it's supposed that you lose the DNG Profile Editor file that helps to get fine dE with ACR Calibration Scripts for Adobe Photoshop that works with Adobe Camera Raw plug in by Rags Gardner and Thomas Fors. Don't forget to mention the good work made by Thomas Lianza and Eric Chang in the Profile Editor versions.
The goal of ACR Calibration Script is to make a report that helps to "certify" the integrity of our master DNG files and its derivatives.
What do you want to get with other pieces of software?
If you want can try Argyll wrapper Rough Profile by Jose Pereira, Argyll based too Color Camera Calibrator (CoCa) by Andrew S. Long or ACR Calibrator L by Simon Tindemans. I haven't tried the last.
On the other hand and for your information: Nikon D90, for example, have not enough gamut to reproduce with the better lens a ColorChecker SG for calibration purpose.
Salud
Jose Bueno
2011/11/2 Karsten Krüger <kk@kkrueger.de>:
Did several profiles with it (EOS 40, EOS 20, Sony W-Series) and got
excellent results.
Please note: a camera profile tries to eliminate all influence of your
light. Images might appear "cold" afterwards. There are some ways to correct this. Please search the mailing list archive. There was a broad discussion here in the past.
Am 01.11.2011 um 23:48 schrieb Iliah Borg <ib@pochtar.com>:
Has anybody used basiccolor Input to create a camera input profile?
As Emdund already mentioned, you can try the demo version. I was not
satisfied with it.
In RPP we use Argyll for user camera profiles, and users do not
complain.
-- Iliah Borg ib@pochtar.com
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