As a total aside, I've received two "confirmation is required to leave the colorsync-users mailing list" in the last 2 days. But I've not requested this. Maybe I'm somehow misusing the list mechanism? But in the off chance someone is being passive aggressive, I'm open to a private message about any complaint and I won't take it public. I'm trying to have fun, which for me is Socratic. and this is naturally contentious.. If I'm offending anyone, I'd appreciate the chance to hear it out and make amends. TIA /wire