Hi color sync users. This is a question about my workflow for ‘remote’ profiling a non-colormanaged printer as a ‘back-box’. And if you can see any obvious mistakes in my workflow / thinking. One of our staff is using an external non-colormanaged print provider. And I'm wanting to help him prepare work for it. Test prints to this printer are in AdobeRGB1998 and prints come out over saturated. So I am attempting to profile the print process ‘remotely’ using i1 profiler. And to do the color conversion ourselves. I am familiar with profiling inkjet and laser printers where I work using i1Profiler, FieryXF and ColorBurstRIP. I thought it would be a fairly straight forward process, but I’m getting some unexpected results. I am not in a position to control this external printer in any way. I have already had TC918 RGB patches printed on this printer (patches assigned AdobeRGB1998) and I created a printer RGB ICC profile of this process. When I assign this printer profile to the original AdobeRGB1998 test image we printed I get a very good approximation of the over saturated test print we got. So far so good. So I Imagined I just needed to use Convert-to-Profile on our AdobeRGB1998 test image, to convert it into the printer color space that I built. Then to ensure it gets handled by the external printer in exactly the same way as before, I just assign it AdobeRGB1998 again. When I do that, the test image now appears less saturated than it was before. Great, that’s just what I would expect. With the boost of saturation of this print process it should return back to normal when printed. But what I did not expect was that the blackest pixels in the converted test image that started out as RGB 4,4,9 are now RGB 30,29,28 after conversion. That sounds crazy to me! I have not printed this converted test image yet. I don’t want to waste my money printing this converted file if I have got this wrong. But everything else looks like what I would expect. Anyone else familiar with profiling printers as a 'Black-box'?, is this kind of thing with the high black point normal? Thanks Peter Miles