Hi I attended the Fogra Symposium. I was told that the public release of these datasets for ��high�� OBA stocks, using M1 readings would be ��in a few weeks��. Regards Paul Sherfield Telephone : + 44 1442 207626 Mobile: + 44 7899 906385 http://www.missinghorsecons.co.uk http://twitter.com/#!/missinghorse Apple Solutions Expert - Print & Publishing Member - UK TC130 Technical Advisory Group (ISO 12647 Printing Standards) UK Expert: ISO TC130/Working Group 13 on certification of printing standards Chair �� BPIF UK ISO 12647 Certification Steering Group Member - BPIF Technical Committee Lean and green? To save money and become a greener printer, see http://www.greenprinter.co.uk http://www.keeconsultants.com Reduce your carbon footprint http://www.1010uk.org This email and any attachments may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of addressee. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, any disclosure, copying or other distribution is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete all copies from your system. Email may be susceptible to data corruption, interception and unauthorised amendment. We do not accept liability for any such corruption, interception or amendment or the consequences thereof. We do not accept liability for any action or inaction by the recipient as a result of advice or information contained within this email. On 23/02/2014 20:00, "colorsync-users-request@lists.apple.com" <colorsync-users-request@lists.apple.com> wrote:
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Message: 1 Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 12:12:37 -0800 From: Mike Strickler <info@mspgraphics.com> To: colorsync-users@lists.apple.com Subject: Re: GraCol and SWOP certification (Mark Franzen) Message-ID: <0F5EA481-30BB-4B0F-8AAC-99A8A5AFE91D@mspgraphics.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
The term is applied to commercial print or proof providers. In this case it has no meaning at all.
Mike Strickler MSP Graphic Services
Message: 1 Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 12:41:10 -0600 From: Mark Franzen <mfranzen3@wi.rr.com> To: "colorsync-users@lists.apple.com" <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> Subject: GraCol and SWOP certification Message-ID: <8633D78A-BB16-4412-A3ED-8C7BC93AFB2A@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Hello all -
I am a retoucher helping a commercial photographer bid on a job. One of the questions was "are you GraCol / SWOP certified?".
To my understanding, that is a way of proving that your proofing system is capable of printing within specified tolerances.
The photographer will not be doing any proofing, and will just be providing RGB images to be used for e-commerce.
I am just looking for some clarity on the specifics of being "certified", and what it would take to get "certified".
Thanks for your help.
Mark Franzen
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Message: 2 Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 12:27:26 -0800 From: Glenncolorguy <glenncolorguy@yahoo.com> To: "colorsync-users@lists.apple.com" <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> Subject: Re:Gracol certification Message-ID: <EFA32DA6-2AC2-4B5C-9E76-0016DEC6CF94@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
There is always confusion on "g7certified" vs "g7 qualified".
Certification is given to systems that have met G7 requirements per IDEAlliance.
Qualification is given to operations that have demonstrated ability to proof or print to G7 specifications.
In the case of the photographer who provides neither proofs nor prints, qualification may not be relevant, though he probably should be prepared to demonstrate that his monitors are capable of compliance with G7 requirements.
Glenn Andrews COLOR CLARITY 818.263.7789 glenn@colorclarity.net
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Message: 1 Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 12:41:10 -0600 From: Mark Franzen <mfranzen3@wi.rr.com> To: "colorsync-users@lists.apple.com" <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> Subject: GraCol and SWOP certification Message-ID: <8633D78A-BB16-4412-A3ED-8C7BC93AFB2A@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Hello all -
I am a retoucher helping a commercial photographer bid on a job. One of the questions was "are you GraCol / SWOP certified?".
To my understanding, that is a way of proving that your proofing system is capable of printing within specified tolerances.
The photographer will not be doing any proofing, and will just be providing RGB images to be used for e-commerce.
I am just looking for some clarity on the specifics of being "certified", and what it would take to get "certified".
Thanks for your help.
Mark Franzen
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Message: 3 Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 14:28:04 -0600 From: Marc Levine <mallomarx@aol.com> To: mfranzen3@wi.rr.com Cc: colorsync-users@lists.apple.com Subject: Re: Colorsync-users Digest, Vol 11, Issue 19 Message-ID: <CF2E60C7.97E79%mallomarx@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hi Mark, ��Certification�� is awarded by IDEAlliance to either people (G7 experts), or systems (G7 certified proofing systems, as you mentioned).
Just because a system is certified does not mean it��s proofs are certified� it just means that the system is capable of producing a proof that is within the tolerances of SWOP or GRACoL.
SWOP and GRACoL are CMYK-based specifications, so there is really no such thing as SWOP and GRACoL certified (or anything��d) RGB.
If you are preparing your images to be reproduced in a SWOP/GRACoL print condition, you should create a proof of those images, converted into SWOP/GRACoL and include a control wedge that can be measured to confirm that your proof is within specification. It is the measurements of the proof control wedge that will dictate whether or not the proof is within specification of SWOP or GRACoL (not anything else).
From an RGB retouching perspective, not something you should need to worry about. You might consider retouching in the colorspace you are creating the images for. In this case, if you are prepping for either GRACoL or SWOP, you would transform the image into the appropriate colorspace and retouch from there. Of course, that would put you into CMYK. There��s plusses and minus either way.
Hope this helps.
Marc
Hello all -
I am a retoucher helping a commercial photographer bid on a job. One of the questions was "are you GraCol / SWOP certified?".
To my understanding, that is a way of proving that your proofing system is capable of printing within specified tolerances.
The photographer will not be doing any proofing, and will just be providing RGB images to be used for e-commerce.
I am just looking for some clarity on the specifics of being "certified", and what it would take to get "certified".
Thanks for your help.
Mark Franzen
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Message: 4 Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 12:40:06 -0600 From: Mike Stewart <mstewart@embassygraphics.com> To: colorsync-users@lists.apple.com Subject: Fogra Symposium - Munich 2014 Message-ID: <CAFB95os+_PJ_DW2M1rOSnPb=Lp9twi4CTEcOKXNS2jY5nhx7pg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hello All: Any information regarding Fogra 52 Profile or Dataset coming from the Fogra Symposium? I followed a thread, joined the Fogra Mailing List and from there I became lost. Website says to join the Fogra 52 Beta users list and also the Fogra members. I cannot tell if I actually joined the members list; or if the Fogra 52 Beta is actually not ready for download. I'm just confused (as usual) but wondering if I have done something wrong. I am quite interested in Fogra 52.
Mike Stewart
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