Hi All, I have recently done several tests as there were threads about the Eye One and bundled OEM devices like the one bundled with the Spectraview displays. I generally advise to purchase the naked NEC displays (no Spectraview) and to utilize BasiCColor display and the Discus (if your workflow precision warrants the investment-usually a site with multiple displays) As I own both the regular and the OEM NEC devices I did a head to head comparison and the NEC device appears to give better results as it has been tweaked for the wider gamut NEC display primaries. To satisfy another curiosity I tested the Eye One device, and the NEC OEM device on a new iMac LED display and the results were very interesting. Both the Eye One-based devices resulted in a profile that appeared to be visually pleasing and the numeric results were understandably different between the NEC puck and the Eye One Display 2 device (the regular Eye One Display was better in this instance). I then opened up a rather wide dynamic range image of a beach with mountains in the background. In both instances, the mountains in the background of the image were jet black which seemed to be what you would expect on the glossy LED display, but the colors looked really clean. Then just for fun I tried the Discus device and the results were fascinating. Not only were the numbers better, but the mountains now display as a very dark green with visible detail yet still decidedly near black. This seems to validate that the Discus does in fact bring out more precision in the display profile-especially with the new wider gamut hardware. So to summarize: The NEC with the Discus is fantastic The NEC with the NEC OEM device using BasiCColor Display would be a second choice The NEC with Spectraview would be a third choice The NEC with an existing Eye One and X Rite software would be a fourth choice I do not have the numbers as this was performed at a customer site but I think that anyone running this test would arrive at similar results. It is great to see a renewed interest in precision lately! On Sep 26, 2011, at 3:04 PM, colorsync-users-request@lists.apple.com wrote:
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1. Re: NEC PA271W-BK-SV (Tim Gray) 2. Re: NEC PA271W-BK-SV (MARK SEGAL) 3. Re: NEC PA271W-BK-SV (Tim Gray) 4. Re: NEC PA271W-BK-SV (Andrew Rodney) 5. Re: NEC PA271W-BK-SV (Armand Rosenberg) 6. Re: NEC PA271W-BK-SV (Andrew Rodney)
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Message: 1 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:51:36 -0400 From: Tim Gray <tgray@protozoic.com> Subject: Re: NEC PA271W-BK-SV To: colorsync-users@lists.apple.com Message-ID: <20110926135136.GA1562@selenium.125px.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
On Sep 23, 2011 at 02:33 PM -0400, Armand Rosenberg wrote:
After some reading, I came across the NEC PA271W-BK-SV monitor, which sounds pretty good. Does anyone here have any experience with it and/or its calibration system?
I have the PA241 with the NEC calibration system. Works great. It was a good deal cheaper when I bought mine at the beginning of the year to purchase the monitor separately from the puck and Spectraview, at least from B&H Photo. The hood was free (by mail) after the purchase. I can only imagine the 271 is great as well.
One advantage to the NEC calibration system is that it communicates with the monitors hardware LUT as opposed to setting a LUT on the video card. Also, it's nice to be able to switch back to sRGB relatively easily when you want to view stuff that's not properly color managed.
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Message: 2 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 08:47:20 -0700 (PDT) From: MARK SEGAL <mgsegal@rogers.com> Subject: Re: NEC PA271W-BK-SV To: Tim Gray <tgray@protozoic.com>, "colorsync-users@lists.apple.com" <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> Message-ID: <1317052040.56413.YahooMailNeo@web88614.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Tim,
I have a 271 bought at Vistek that I'm using very successfully with the NEC bespoke colorimeter and BasicColor 4. It too calibrates the monitor LUT and makes fine profiles that test well using PatchTool as an independent means of verification.
Cheers,
Mark
________________________________ From: Tim Gray <tgray@protozoic.com> To: colorsync-users@lists.apple.com Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:51:36 AM Subject: Re: NEC PA271W-BK-SV
On Sep 23, 2011 at 02:33 PM -0400, Armand Rosenberg wrote:
After some reading, I came across the NEC PA271W-BK-SV monitor, which sounds pretty good. Does anyone here have any experience with it and/or its calibration system?
I have the PA241 with the NEC calibration system. Works great. It was a good deal cheaper when I bought mine at the beginning of the year to purchase the monitor separately from the puck and Spectraview, at least from B&H Photo. The hood was free (by mail) after the purchase. I can only imagine the 271 is great as well.
One advantage to the NEC calibration system is that it communicates with the monitors hardware LUT as opposed to setting a LUT on the video card. Also, it's nice to be able to switch back to sRGB relatively easily when you want to view stuff that's not properly color managed. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Colorsync-users mailing list (Colorsync-users@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/colorsync-users/mgsegal%40rogers.com
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Message: 3 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 12:34:51 -0400 From: Tim Gray <tgray@protozoic.com> Subject: Re: NEC PA271W-BK-SV To: "colorsync-users@lists.apple.com" <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> Message-ID: <20110926163451.GC1562@selenium.125px.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
On Sep 26, 2011 at 08:47 AM -0700, MARK SEGAL wrote:
I have a 271 bought at Vistek that I'm using very successfully with the NEC bespoke colorimeter and BasicColor 4. It too calibrates the monitor LUT and makes fine profiles that test well using PatchTool as an independent means of verification.
Yes, I have heard that BasicColor 4 also interacts with the hardware LUT. But since I was starting from scratch with no software or hardware, I figured I'd just go the all NEC route.
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Message: 4 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:42:30 -0600 From: Andrew Rodney <andrew@digitaldog.net> Subject: Re: NEC PA271W-BK-SV To: ColorSync List <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> Message-ID: <4BA76DF2-B804-4AF3-A67F-0099E86544AE@digitaldog.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Sep 26, 2011, at 10:34 AM, Tim Gray wrote:
But since I was starting from scratch with no software or hardware, I figured I'd just go the all NEC route.
That will save you a lot money with the NEC bundle with their colorimeter.
Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/
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Message: 5 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:29:02 -0400 From: Armand Rosenberg <Armand.Rosenberg@nrl.navy.mil> Subject: Re: NEC PA271W-BK-SV To: colorsync-users@lists.apple.com Message-ID: <p06230923caa66ff0fee5@[132.250.152.202]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Thanks to everyone for the great feedback. I have a couple of follow-up questions, if I may:
1) There is a choice of DVI-D or DisplayPort input on this monitor. If I understand correctly, the difference boils down to 8-bit vs 10-bit (per color) communication with the video card. Is this worth worrying about in practice, and/or is it now even possible to take advantage of the extra 2 bits?
2) Should I be concerned about the profile quality when using an older-vintage i1Pro with the SpectraView II software?
Armand
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Message: 6 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 12:59:49 -0600 From: Andrew Rodney <andrew@digitaldog.net> Subject: Re: NEC PA271W-BK-SV To: ColorSync List <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> Message-ID: <D7DAD32E-9207-45CC-8703-EA33CD607B08@digitaldog.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
On Sep 26, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Armand Rosenberg wrote:
1) There is a choice of DVI-D or DisplayPort input on this monitor. If I understand correctly, the difference boils down to 8-bit vs 10-bit (per color) communication with the video card. Is this worth worrying about in practice, and/or is it now even possible to take advantage of the extra 2 bits?
Thanks to Apple (sorry), we don‚t yet have a full high bit path (OS, Applications, Cards, Drivers, Displays) anyway. We have some cards, Apps like Photoshop and displays like Eizo and NEC all set to go, but the missing link is something Apple needs to address. Then yes, you‚d want to use a DisplayPort.
For an exhaustive set of posts on the subject, see: http://forums.adobe.com/message/3286011
Should I be concerned about the profile quality when using an older-vintage i1Pro with the SpectraView II software?
It will work fine although not as well measuring the darker colors as you‚d get with a matted Colorimeter.
Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/
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