Hey Russell. Yes it should defiantly be one or the other managing color and not both. And Apple’s “Color Controls” interface could be clearer about what exactly is happening. I’ve never had to pay any attention to the “Color Controls” section but it’s possible with the current OS and newer driver that one may need to do so. Its Saturday and I’m not at my studio so I can’t make some prints to confirm what’s happening. Why don’t you print two evaluation images - one printed with “ColorSync” selected and one with “Epson Color Controls” selected with Epson CM turned off and tell us how they look? With the right evaluation image it should be obvious what’s happening… Scott Martin www.on-sight.com Imaging Science for Art
On Feb 19, 2022, at 4:02 PM, Russell Proulx via colorsync-users <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> wrote:
Hi Scott,
Yes, that's what we've also tried (ie: Color Handling: AcrobatColorManagement -> ColorProfile: [custom printer profile]) except it's the Printer setup side where there's a bit of disagreement. If the ColorSync option is enabled in the printer it auto-loads the appropriate printer/paper profile. I would think that would apply double profiling.
The other printer option (other than ColorSync) is Epson Color Controls which offers the option to turn OFF CM, as is done automatically when printing from Photoshop and Lightroom when they manage the color. I would have thought the printer would need to have CM set to OFF if the driver has been selected in Acrobat.
Should it not be one or the other (Acrobat or Printer), but not both managing the color?
R
On 19/02/2022 9:56 a.m., Scott Martin via colorsync-users wrote:
Hey Russell. If a PDF is generated properly, each element within it will contain profiles. So you can have greyscale, RGB and CMYK elements all within a PDF - this is why you can’t select a source space for the whole thing. As for printing,
File>Print>Advanced>ColorManagement Color Handling: AcrobatColorManagement ColorProfile: [custom printer profile]
…has always been pretty solid for me, although there can be some surprises with complicated PDFs containing transparency and such. It’s a rare choice to make critical prints from Acrobat. In many situations, it can be nice to ”RIP" a PDF by opening it in Photoshop and inspect before printing. In either case you needn’t worry about Apple’s 'Color Matching’ settings as Epson's driver does indeed go into a no color management mode as it does when printing from Photoshop, for example, with application managed colors. Your results may vary with other drivers of course.
Scott Martin www.on-sight.com Imaging Science for Art
On Feb 18, 2022, at 4:49 PM, Mike Strickler via colorsync-users<colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> wrote:
Hi Russell,
Printing from Acrobat—you like to live dangerously. Because the source profile is not selectable here I assume that this is the default space given in the global color settings (Preferences: Color Management: Working spaces). The Acrobat print dialog gives no choice of rendering intent, so it might be better to do the transform in the Convert Colors tool (Print Production). Then print the converted document using the print dialog with no color management active "(Same as source”). There may be other twists to this that someone else may be able to comment on.
Good luck.
Mike Strickler MSP Graphic Services
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Could someone please confirm if the following settings are appropriate when printing a photo using Acrobat and wish to have color management done either by the printer (an Epson 7000) or by Acrobat?
*CM Managed by Printer:*
In Acrobat -> Color Management -> Color Handling = Printer Color Management
In the Apple printer settings -> ColorSync ON (set to Automatic or manually select profile from list)
*CM Managed byAcrobat:*
In Acrobat -> Color Management -> Color Handling = Acrobat Color Management ??? The appropriate Color Profile is then selected via the pull-down list
In the Apple printer settings -> Epson Color Controls is selected and on the Print page the Color Mode is set to "OFF (No color management)"
It's my understanding that when Acrobat Color Management is enabled then turning ColorSync on as well will produce double profiling. Is this correct?
Someone has suggested that using ColorSync -> Automatic will automatically set Color Mode to "OFF (No color management)" if Acrobat Color Management is used. I'm not sure if that is correct.
Thanks to anyone who knows and has time to respond :-)
R
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