Target printing from i1 Profiler
Hello I tried to print an i1 IO Pro2 target from the X-Rite software to an Epson 4900 with the latest drivers's version. I had a very dull print so I tried with the Adobe Color Printer Utility and I had the same result. I noticed that in the driver dialog box in the Color Matching panel there was a default on ColorSync but there's no choice to select Epson Color Controls. So I printed the target from Photoshop and I selected Printer Manages Colors and in the driver dialog box, in the Color Matching panel, I was able to select Epson Color Controls and then, in the Print Settings I was able to turn Color Settings to OFF (No color management). In this way I had a good colorful print and I made a profile that's working fine but…what's changed? I mean, I knew that with Photoshop there was no choice of printing with no color management under Mountain Lion and I used the Adobe Color Printer Utility. But even with the i1 Profiler software I was able to print a right target; today it seems that it's not possible anymore and I should go back to the old way of printing from Photoshop. Anyone noticed that or am I missing something? Giuseppe Andretta
On Feb 28, 2013, at 9:42 AM, Giuseppe Andretta <giuseppe.a@colorconnection.it> wrote:
Hello I tried to print an i1 IO Pro2 target from the X-Rite software to an Epson 4900 with the latest drivers's version. I had a very dull print so I tried with the Adobe Color Printer Utility and I had the same result.
Indicating both are doing the same thing (I'd submit correctly based on doing this in both locations a lot).
I noticed that in the driver dialog box in the Color Matching panel there was a default on ColorSync but there's no choice to select Epson Color Controls.
That is the correct behavior (both are using an API that sets this correctly for you with no over-ride).
So I printed the target from Photoshop and I selected Printer Manages Colors and in the driver dialog box, in the Color Matching panel, I was able to select Epson Color Controls and then, in the Print Settings I was able to turn Color Settings to OFF (No color management).
Not sure what version but you can't print such targets anymore in modern copies of Photoshop. There's no, No Color Management option. Not sure why you had poor results but I suspect it's due somewhere else in your workflow. What you report is to be expected in terms of options for output. Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/
Andrew, On 01/03/2013, at 4:24 AM, Andrew Rodney <andrew@digitaldog.net> wrote:
I noticed that in the driver dialog box in the Color Matching panel there was a default on ColorSync but there's no choice to select Epson Color Controls.
That is the correct behavior (both are using an API that sets this correctly for you with no over-ride).
In other words, we shouldn't worry about the Colorsync ON option being locked in because it's not doing anything it shouldn't?
So I printed the target from Photoshop and I selected Printer Manages Colors and in the driver dialog box, in the Color Matching panel, I was able to select Epson Color Controls and then, in the Print Settings I was able to turn Color Settings to OFF (No color management).
Not sure what version but you can't print such targets anymore in modern copies of Photoshop. There's no, No Color Management.
While I am familiar with the current 'work around' using the Color Print Utility I am still bemused by that fact that using Printer Color Management doesn't turn colour management OFF in Photoshop (I note the option for a Rendering Intent!). Is there any sense to this? Mark
On Feb 28, 2013, at 3:45 PM, Mark Stegman <mark.stegman@gmail.com> wrote:
In other words, we shouldn't worry about the Colorsync ON option being locked in because it's not doing anything it shouldn't?
Correct!
While I am familiar with the current 'work around' using the Color Print Utility I am still bemused by that fact that using Printer Color Management doesn't turn colour management OFF in Photoshop (I note the option for a Rendering Intent!). Is there any sense to this?
It doesn't, it's just another somewhat convoluted print path. Use i1Profiler to print. ACPU works but sometimes has a scaling issue and I'm not sure what triggers it. Sometimes it's fine, sometimes not. If you're using an iSis, the output has to be correctly scaled or it will barf. If you're using a handheld unit, or an i0, not a problem. Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/
I'm using Epson driver 9.04 on Mac OSX 10.8.2 and Photoshop 13.1.2 and trying to match and synchronize all the printing options between ACPU and i1 Profiler but I can't realize what I'm doing wrong (the printed target is perceivable without measuring it, completely dull). The other unbelievable thing is that the target is printed good (with vivid colors) with the sort of old way workflow, No Color Management and OFF in the driver. When I saw the poor results from ACPU and i1Profiler I tried to workaround printing the target from Photoshop and, as I told you, selecting the Printer Manages Colors option and then, as I did in the old way, I turn OFF the driver. After measuring the profile with an i1 IO I compare it with the factory profile using ColorThink, just to see if it was at least similar, and they are. I know that it shouldn't work that way and I'm still working to find out the way for printing targets correctly from i1Profiler. I just don't want to waste time measuring and comparing the target printed with it because is so different but still seeking the right way. Thanks anyway I will try once again and let you know Giuseppe On 01/mar/2013, at 00:02, Andrew Rodney <andrew@digitaldog.net> wrote:
On Feb 28, 2013, at 3:45 PM, Mark Stegman <mark.stegman@gmail.com> wrote:
In other words, we shouldn't worry about the Colorsync ON option being locked in because it's not doing anything it shouldn't?
Correct!
While I am familiar with the current 'work around' using the Color Print Utility I am still bemused by that fact that using Printer Color Management doesn't turn colour management OFF in Photoshop (I note the option for a Rendering Intent!). Is there any sense to this?
It doesn't, it's just another somewhat convoluted print path.
Use i1Profiler to print. ACPU works but sometimes has a scaling issue and I'm not sure what triggers it. Sometimes it's fine, sometimes not. If you're using an iSis, the output has to be correctly scaled or it will barf. If you're using a handheld unit, or an i0, not a problem.
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On Mar 1, 2013, at 1:13 AM, Giuseppe Andretta <giuseppe.a@colorconnection.it> wrote:
The other unbelievable thing is that the target is printed good (with vivid colors) with the sort of old way workflow, No Color Management and OFF in the driver.
You shouldn't try to evaluate anything by looking at the target. Not sure what's going on and why you're not getting good profiles but either i1P or ACPU should be printing the targets identically and correctly. Maybe tripple check all your settings. Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/
Ok it's clear now. I tried and the best way is printing directly from i1Profiler, for me (but same results from ACPU) All setting were ok but I was mislead by the appearance of the printed target (now I've learned the lesson) and an error while comparing targets with ColorThink, sorry. Giuseppe On 01/mar/2013, at 09:13, Giuseppe Andretta <giuseppe.a@colorconnection.it> wrote:
I'm using Epson driver 9.04 on Mac OSX 10.8.2 and Photoshop 13.1.2 and trying to match and synchronize all the printing options between ACPU and i1 Profiler but I can't realize what I'm doing wrong (the printed target is perceivable without measuring it, completely dull).
The other unbelievable thing is that the target is printed good (with vivid colors) with the sort of old way workflow, No Color Management and OFF in the driver.
When I saw the poor results from ACPU and i1Profiler I tried to workaround printing the target from Photoshop and, as I told you, selecting the Printer Manages Colors option and then, as I did in the old way, I turn OFF the driver.
After measuring the profile with an i1 IO I compare it with the factory profile using ColorThink, just to see if it was at least similar, and they are. I know that it shouldn't work that way and I'm still working to find out the way for printing targets correctly from i1Profiler. I just don't want to waste time measuring and comparing the target printed with it because is so different but still seeking the right way.
Thanks anyway I will try once again and let you know
Giuseppe
On 01/mar/2013, at 00:02, Andrew Rodney <andrew@digitaldog.net> wrote:
On Feb 28, 2013, at 3:45 PM, Mark Stegman <mark.stegman@gmail.com> wrote:
In other words, we shouldn't worry about the Colorsync ON option being locked in because it's not doing anything it shouldn't?
Correct!
While I am familiar with the current 'work around' using the Color Print Utility I am still bemused by that fact that using Printer Color Management doesn't turn colour management OFF in Photoshop (I note the option for a Rendering Intent!). Is there any sense to this?
It doesn't, it's just another somewhat convoluted print path.
Use i1Profiler to print. ACPU works but sometimes has a scaling issue and I'm not sure what triggers it. Sometimes it's fine, sometimes not. If you're using an iSis, the output has to be correctly scaled or it will barf. If you're using a handheld unit, or an i0, not a problem.
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