So the reason I am even here — and I recently submitted my first post in about 15 years, since back in the day when fine-art Inkjet printing was all the rage and I found this list from reading the epson-inkjet forum, where the lovely Bruce Fraser was always on hand to clarify things for newbies and throw-down with the heavies — is because when I fired up my old DTP94 after a decade of being away from photography, I found that my copy ColorEyes Display Pro was dead and gone forever due to software version creep and changing tides in the industry. I went looking for an alternative and quickly came across DisplayCal. THERE IS A GOD! Suddenly I was back into building display profiles and sorting through the mysteries of system alignment, wondering what had changed in so many years, and noticing video and phones are now the hot topic in color, giving rise to new display standards. WCG displays are becoming common, and creating common pitfalls. As an aside, I am surprised to find that for all its promise, ICC CM is as much of a can'o worms as ever, even more so. And getting worse, with the evolution of UHD TV. And it's the most vertically integrated company, Apple, that's able to slip a new bigger gamut display standard into the market in a way that doesn't cause ordinary users total mayhem. Wasn't Colorsync supposed to be about the democratization of great color?! As I worked with DisplayCal, I discovered my late-model MacOS was doing something strange: Its color management was producing different display black-patch rendering depending on whether I was using built-in Preview, or Quicklook, or Adobe Photoshop, and Apple's programs will sometimes get it obviously wrong. So happens I was playing with DisplayCal's XYZ LUT capability and the DisplayCal and other forums were abuzz with concern about how Apple could get it wrong and what can be done. Florian reported that it was becoming common knowledge that Apple SW can't handle XYZ LUT profiles and I asked if he had checked in over at the colorsync-users list from back in the day — I suggested to him those guys ought to know what's going on and have some traction with Apple. He said he was on the list, but threw up his hands. Mac has as bad a reputation as Windows these days, and if I were a new creative generation is looking towards progress, I would look towards Linux, where the skilled user has the more freedom and look forward to the sort of fun and promise that used to be celebrated on Mac in days of yore. Those days are gone, of course. I decided to come over here and ask what's going on. So I wrote up my crude explanation of what I was seeing and posted it here, and found dead silence. Not even Rodney showed up to tell me what an idiot I am for posted such uninformed airheaded observations! Then I realized why Florian had shrugged. I wrote up a bug report and submitted it to Apple, to no apparent avail—not that I was expecting anything. Then I ruminate for a bit about how the Colorsync mailing list has become a forgotten backwater of pre-press nerbs using Windows, and Apple doesn't even care about Colorsync any more. I decided to stop by the ICC and noticed they were on the 3rd page of google, far behind the structured cabling solutions, the International Criminal Court, Al Jazeera ICC News, and the International Cricket and Chess Clubs. I found the ICC homepage and they are bragging about some wonderful developments, and I quote: //The iccMAX specification was approved by the ICC Steering Committee in July 2016, and ISO TC 130 members voted unanimously to approve this as a Working Draft of ISO 20677.// GREAT NEWS! So just punted and went along with learning how to align my old displays in the new world, and along the way DisplayCal forums Florian graciously and diligently helps anyone and everyone get the most from his killer software, and explained to me about the limits of my old DTP94 and I worked through what standard Apple's seemingly excellent built-in display profiles adhere to. Over at that forum they have a Rodney too, but he's apparently a specialist in display tech and he will absolutely clobber you over the head with his immense understanding of all the ways this tech can go right or wrong, and how you're an idiot for not thinking about the subject hist way. He will tell you how much Apple sucks at a moments notice. So this is the state of Colorsync and the ICC... Meanwhile UHD TV is blasting away with change. And it turns out they don't even expose the concept of color management outside of the confines of the specific tool. Who cares what the Windows UI looks like. They just pick a standard and build the gear to it. At the end of the pipeline, a display is given a personality either with a built-in LUT or using custom renderer. Reps go around youtube explaining—quite properly—that you pick a gamma to suit your viewing conditions. Sony is in bed with Panavision and all that gear is rented, Some things change and some stay the same. There's a wonderful youtube talk by John Seale at the Australian Cinematographers Society ACS Victoria conference (I want to share but has since been taken down) were he describes how he did Mad Max Fury road, that it was his intro to digi coming out of film, and how Panavision supplied a guy as the color consultant who sat by himself in truck a mile away from the action, looking at levels in the dailies and telling Seale and camera crew what to do with capture to help the FX guys down the line "boost the exposure guys, you've got tons of headroom and the FX crew hates noise in the shadows. They'll grade it down in post" I loved how his open an approriate ignorance was no impediment to his work, as should be true for all of us, something that simply comes with the territory of new tech. What an odd duck in the lone photographer trying to do his craft and make sense of such vastly corporate tools and technologies. The market has a way of its own. Apple is just dropping P3 on the world, and making it work, and it's barely a talking point. Keynotes just mention "great color." It's UHD HDR jibber-jabber that's all the buzz with the Pro XDR. Andrew, please brow-beat me some more over this post. I feel like I'm giving you a reason to live. Meanwhile, it's annoying that Apple's latest SW can't handle well-formed display profiles that meet spec laid down 25 years ago and just quietly does the wrong thing and not only does no one on the Colorsync Users list care, no one here is even using Mac and the listserv is 30 yo technology. Apple probably has probably completely forgotten this thing. /wire