Re: Colorsync-users Digest, Vol 10, Issue 227
I’ll jump in here as well. I profile my two, they’re a pair, MacBook Pro 8,3 17 inch non-glare display with i1profiler and i1pro spectro. Really not usable for anything serious. Profiling the NEC PA271w with the same hardware software combination is what I use for serious work. Millers' Photography L.L.C David B Miller, Pharm. D., member 3809 Alabama Street Bellingham, Washington 98226 360 739 2826 On Nov 1, 2013, at 12:00 PM, colorsync-users-request@lists.apple.com wrote:
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From: John Lund <john@jwlimages.com> Subject: Re: calibrating MBPr display Date: October 31, 2013 at 12:17:37 PM PDT To: colorsync-users@lists.apple.com Cc: Armand Rosenberg <armand.rosenberg@nrl.navy.mil>
Hello Armand,
OK, I can jump in here - yes, I have calibrated mine successfully with i1 Profiler & an i1Pro2 (spectro). No issues.
Of course even though the Retina display is nice, it's not going to match up well with a quality external display for critical color editing.
John
JWL Images Emeryville, CA
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Message: 1 Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:00:51 -0400 From: Armand Rosenberg <armand.rosenberg@nrl.navy.mil> To: colorsync-users@lists.apple.com Subject: calibrating MBPr display Message-ID: <527270A3.2080807@nrl.navy.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Sorry if this topic was covered recently:
Would someone who has calibrated a MacBook Pro with Retina display please share the experience? What software/hardware did you use, and how did it turn out?
TIA. Armand
From: Scott Martin <scott@on-sight.com> Subject: Re: calibrating MBPr display Date: October 31, 2013 at 12:21:29 PM PDT To: "colorsync-users@lists.apple.com List" <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com>
Would someone who has calibrated a MacBook Pro with Retina display please share the experience? What software/hardware did you use, and how did it turn out?
i1Profiler with the i1DisplayPro, i1Pro and i1Pro2 have all worked fantastically well for me on the rMBP. When using the i1DisplayPro, one does need to manually select the appropriate compensation matrix (White LED) which is easy to overlook and often the source of confusion and problems for a number of my clients.
The blacks are particularly rich on the rMBP and the differences can be significant when comparing images on a matte display. I've come to really like the rMBP display and it's ability to reproduce the rich shadows and dark saturation that occurs with night photography on baryta printing processes. Can't wait till we have a fused glass 4K 30+" display to work with...
Scott Martin www.on-sight.com
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Thank you David. I'm glad I have a NEC PA271W too. Best / Roger -----Original Message----- From: colorsync-users-bounces+graxx=videotron.ca@lists.apple.com [mailto:colorsync-users-bounces+graxx=videotron.ca@lists.apple.com] On Behalf Of Millers' Photography L.L.C. Sent: Friday, November 1, 2013 3:26 PM To: colorsync-users@lists.apple.com Subject: Re: Colorsync-users Digest, Vol 10, Issue 227 I’ll jump in here as well. I profile my two, they’re a pair, MacBook Pro 8,3 17 inch non-glare display with i1profiler and i1pro spectro. Really not usable for anything serious. Profiling the NEC PA271w with the same hardware software combination is what I use for serious work. Millers' Photography L.L.C David B Miller, Pharm. D., member 3809 Alabama Street Bellingham, Washington 98226 360 739 2826 On Nov 1, 2013, at 12:00 PM, colorsync-users-request@lists.apple.com wrote:
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From: John Lund <john@jwlimages.com> Subject: Re: calibrating MBPr display Date: October 31, 2013 at 12:17:37 PM PDT To: colorsync-users@lists.apple.com Cc: Armand Rosenberg <armand.rosenberg@nrl.navy.mil>
Hello Armand,
OK, I can jump in here - yes, I have calibrated mine successfully with i1 Profiler & an i1Pro2 (spectro). No issues.
Of course even though the Retina display is nice, it's not going to match up well with a quality external display for critical color editing.
John
JWL Images Emeryville, CA
On Oct 31, 2013, at 12:00 PM, colorsync-users-request@lists.apple.com wrote:
Message: 1 Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:00:51 -0400 From: Armand Rosenberg <armand.rosenberg@nrl.navy.mil> To: colorsync-users@lists.apple.com Subject: calibrating MBPr display Message-ID: <527270A3.2080807@nrl.navy.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Sorry if this topic was covered recently:
Would someone who has calibrated a MacBook Pro with Retina display please share the experience? What software/hardware did you use, and how did it turn out?
TIA. Armand
From: Scott Martin <scott@on-sight.com> Subject: Re: calibrating MBPr display Date: October 31, 2013 at 12:21:29 PM PDT To: "colorsync-users@lists.apple.com List" <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com>
Would someone who has calibrated a MacBook Pro with Retina display please share the experience? What software/hardware did you use, and how did it turn out?
i1Profiler with the i1DisplayPro, i1Pro and i1Pro2 have all worked fantastically well for me on the rMBP. When using the i1DisplayPro, one does need to manually select the appropriate compensation matrix (White LED) which is easy to overlook and often the source of confusion and problems for a number of my clients.
The blacks are particularly rich on the rMBP and the differences can be significant when comparing images on a matte display. I've come to really like the rMBP display and it's ability to reproduce the rich shadows and dark saturation that occurs with night photography on baryta printing processes. Can't wait till we have a fused glass 4K 30+" display to work with...
Scott Martin www.on-sight.com
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I’ll jump in here as well. I profile my two, they’re a pair, MacBook Pro 8,3 17 inch non-glare display with i1profiler and i1pro spectro. Really not usable for anything serious.
But that's not the retina display he asked about right?
Profiling the NEC PA271w with the same hardware software combination is what I use for serious work.
Of course even though the Retina display is nice, it's not going to match up well with a quality external display for critical color editing.
While that might be the conventional thinking, I've got to say I'm finding otherwise. You'd think if you pay that much money for a high bit display that it should be better - right? [It better be better!] But when I have my rMBP hooked up to said NEC PA271 I'm finding advantages to the rMBP that surprise me. The smaller screen is a disadvantage but the higher resolution is a big plus - especially when it comes to judging image sharpness, localized contrast and detail. Having that many pixels in such high density allows me to visualize a smaller print much better than a lower res display like the 217w does. When printing to processes that have exceptional DMax - baryta inkjet printing for example - I've long been frustrated with the DMax differences between a matte surface display like the 271w and the printing process. We've always had to say "well... the blacks will be evener darker in print and the extreme shadow detail harder to perceive, and the overall contrast a little greater.."' and compensate for that. Of course my photo work is almost exclusivly done at night has has tons of extreme shadow detail and dark saturated colors so I feel these differences perhaps more than the average person. But I'm finding that the retina display, with it's richer DMax is far more capable of showing me the, blacks, shadows, and dark saturated colors much better than any NEC or Eizo I've worked on. And I find the color gamut and gradations to be remarkably smooth for a 8 bit display, even when compared side-by-side with a PA271. So I think it's time to take another look at these display comparisons particularly as it relates to matching the Dmax of a printing process. If you only print to cotton rag mate surface papers, then by all means stick with a matte surface display, but I'd not overlook a retina display for preparing work to processes with super rick blacks. A 30+" 4K retina display would be (will be!) interesting. Scott Martin www.on-sight.com www.martinphoto.com
Scott, Thank's for sharing your invaluable experience. I think you're on to something. My humble experience with *any* LCD displays has been mostly for publication and sheetfed work, on glossy coated paper. Which is still where the bulk of lithography is done, remarkably. (despite the internet) For this kind of work, I find most LCD displays do an adequate kind of job, representing the typical contrast range of the print. I've always liked the NEC PA series, since day 1, but I may change my mind after doing extensive work with inkjet printing as you do, printing on esoteric substrates. I only have a 4900, here, and rarely print on anything other than satin semi-gloss finish, for proofing purposes. I know, I may be missing a lot :( Best / Roger -----Original Message----- From: colorsync-users-bounces+graxx=videotron.ca@lists.apple.com [mailto:colorsync-users-bounces+graxx=videotron.ca@lists.apple.com] On Behalf Of Scott Martin Sent: Friday, November 1, 2013 4:25 PM To: colorsync-users@lists.apple.com List Subject: Re: Colorsync-users Digest, Vol 10, Issue 227
I’ll jump in here as well. I profile my two, they’re a pair, MacBook Pro 8,3 17 inch non-glare display with i1profiler and i1pro spectro. Really not usable for anything serious.
But that's not the retina display he asked about right?
Profiling the NEC PA271w with the same hardware software combination is what I use for serious work.
Of course even though the Retina display is nice, it's not going to match up well with a quality external display for critical color editing.
While that might be the conventional thinking, I've got to say I'm finding otherwise. You'd think if you pay that much money for a high bit display that it should be better - right? [It better be better!] But when I have my rMBP hooked up to said NEC PA271 I'm finding advantages to the rMBP that surprise me. The smaller screen is a disadvantage but the higher resolution is a big plus - especially when it comes to judging image sharpness, localized contrast and detail. Having that many pixels in such high density allows me to visualize a smaller print much better than a lower res display like the 217w does. When printing to processes that have exceptional DMax - baryta inkjet printing for example - I've long been frustrated with the DMax differences between a matte surface display like the 271w and the printing process. We've always had to say "well... the blacks will be evener darker in print and the extreme shadow detail harder to perceive, and the overall contrast a little greater.."' and compensate for that. Of course my photo work is almost exclusivly done at night has has tons of extreme shadow detail and dark saturated colors so I feel these differences perhaps more than the average person. But I'm finding that the retina display, with it's richer DMax is far more capable of showing me the, blacks, shadows, and dark saturated colors much better than any NEC or Eizo I've worked on. And I find the color gamut and gradations to be remarkably smooth for a 8 bit display, even when compared side-by-side with a PA271. So I think it's time to take another look at these display comparisons particularly as it relates to matching the Dmax of a printing process. If you only print to cotton rag mate surface papers, then by all means stick with a matte surface display, but I'd not overlook a retina display for preparing work to processes with super rick blacks. A 30+" 4K retina display would be (will be!) interesting. Scott Martin www.on-sight.com www.martinphoto.com
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Millers' Photography L.L.C.
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Roger Breton
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Scott Martin