Epson Printer Driver - sRGB - ARGB
Dear all I have struggled to understand a setting in the Epson printer driver for many years. (Yes my life is that boring). It seems to be a fairly universal setting (R2400, 3880, 4800) When using Printer Manages Colors > Print Settings > Color Settings, there is the option to select EPSON Standard (sRGB) or Adobe RGB (Along with Vivid and charts and Graphs). This setting does seem to have a slight effect on the printed image. An ARGB image seems to print slightly more accurately when the setting is Adobe RGB (Using the Pixl test image). Does anyone know why it is there and what it is for? The vivid etc suggests to me that it is some kind of rendering intent, if so why is it called sRGB etc and why have 2 rendering intents in the workflow (The rendering intents are not greyed out in the Photoshop Printer Window)? Best Matthew __________________________________ Matthew Ward Photography matthew@matthewwardphotography.com www.matthewwardphotography.com ww.imagebasedlighting.co.uk __________________________________
To my knowledge the printer color management can not detect what the assigned color space is in the data it gets from the application you print from. So it offers two choices of color space and expects the user to send image data with the corresponding color space assigned. The application should not perform color management but allow the choice: Let Printer do color management. No rendering in the application should have effect then. The image data should still have the color space assigned up to the the printer color management but I doubt it will be recognised. The printer color management has a default rendering but I doubt it includes BPC. Based on experience with HP Z3100 and Z3200 drivers. The PS driver of the last model offers some CMYK assigned spaces as choices too. Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm December 2014 update, 700+ inkjet media white spectral plots On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 10:53 AM, matthew@matthewwardphotography.com < matthew@matthewwardphotography.com> wrote:
Dear all I have struggled to understand a setting in the Epson printer driver for many years. (Yes my life is that boring). It seems to be a fairly universal setting (R2400, 3880, 4800) When using Printer Manages Colors > Print Settings > Color Settings, there is the option to select EPSON Standard (sRGB) or Adobe RGB (Along with Vivid and charts and Graphs). This setting does seem to have a slight effect on the printed image. An ARGB image seems to print slightly more accurately when the setting is Adobe RGB (Using the Pixl test image).
Does anyone know why it is there and what it is for?
The vivid etc suggests to me that it is some kind of rendering intent, if so why is it called sRGB etc and why have 2 rendering intents in the workflow (The rendering intents are not greyed out in the Photoshop Printer Window)?
Best Matthew
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Thanks Ernst "To my knowledge the printer color management can not detect what the assigned color space is in the data it gets from the application you print from." There is a slight shift but not a full sRGB/ARGB mismatch as far as I can tell, which would be implied by the above behaviour? - I will test it. Be interesting to see how it copes with an input of Pro photo input if what you are suggesting is correct. Best Matthew
On 14 April 2015 at 10:43 Ernst Dinkla <info@pigment-print.com> wrote:
To my knowledge the printer color management can not detect what the assigned color space is in the data it gets from the application you print from. So it offers two choices of color space and expects the user to send image data with the corresponding color space assigned. The application should not perform color management but allow the choice: Let Printer do color management. No rendering in the application should have effect then. The image data should still have the color space assigned up to the the printer color management but I doubt it will be recognised. The printer color management has a default rendering but I doubt it includes BPC. Based on experience with HP Z3100 and Z3200 drivers. The PS driver of the last model offers some CMYK assigned spaces as choices too.
Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst
http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm December 2014 update, 700+ inkjet media white spectral plots
On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 10:53 AM, matthew@matthewwardphotography.com <mailto:matthew@matthewwardphotography.com> <matthew@matthewwardphotography.com <mailto:matthew@matthewwardphotography.com> > wrote:
Dear all I have struggled to understand a setting in the Epson printer driver for many years. (Yes my life is that boring). It seems to be a fairly universal setting (R2400, 3880, 4800) When using Printer Manages Colors > Print Settings > Color Settings, there is the option to select EPSON Standard (sRGB) or Adobe RGB (Along with Vivid and charts and Graphs). This setting does seem to have a slight effect on the printed image. An ARGB image seems to print slightly more accurately when the setting is Adobe RGB (Using the Pixl test image).
Does anyone know why it is there and what it is for?
The vivid etc suggests to me that it is some kind of rendering intent, if so why is it called sRGB etc and why have 2 rendering intents in the workflow (The rendering intents are not greyed out in the Photoshop Printer Window)?
Best Matthew
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I looked at what Epson have to say online, apparently sRGB is a term for contrast increase... I guess they are trying to come up with a system which will work for professionals and novices (and managing to confuse everyone in the process) EPSON Standard (sRGB) - Increases the contrast in images. Use this setting for color photographs. Adobe RGB - Matches image color to the Adobe RGB. EPSON Vivid - Select this setting to enrich the blue and green tones in prints. Because this setting reproduces blue and green tones that cannot be displayed by your monitor, your prints may differ from the screen image when this function is selected. Charts and Graphs - Intensifies the colors, and lightens the midtones and highlights of an image. Use this setting for presentation graphics, such as charts and graphs. Best Matthew
On 14 April 2015 at 10:43 Ernst Dinkla <info@pigment-print.com> wrote:
To my knowledge the printer color management can not detect what the assigned color space is in the data it gets from the application you print from. So it offers two choices of color space and expects the user to send image data with the corresponding color space assigned. The application should not perform color management but allow the choice: Let Printer do color management. No rendering in the application should have effect then. The image data should still have the color space assigned up to the the printer color management but I doubt it will be recognised. The printer color management has a default rendering but I doubt it includes BPC. Based on experience with HP Z3100 and Z3200 drivers. The PS driver of the last model offers some CMYK assigned spaces as choices too.
Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst
http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm December 2014 update, 700+ inkjet media white spectral plots
On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 10:53 AM, matthew@matthewwardphotography.com <mailto:matthew@matthewwardphotography.com> <matthew@matthewwardphotography.com <mailto:matthew@matthewwardphotography.com> > wrote:
Dear all I have struggled to understand a setting in the Epson printer driver for many years. (Yes my life is that boring). It seems to be a fairly universal setting (R2400, 3880, 4800) When using Printer Manages Colors > Print Settings > Color Settings, there is the option to select EPSON Standard (sRGB) or Adobe RGB (Along with Vivid and charts and Graphs). This setting does seem to have a slight effect on the printed image. An ARGB image seems to print slightly more accurately when the setting is Adobe RGB (Using the Pixl test image).
Does anyone know why it is there and what it is for?
The vivid etc suggests to me that it is some kind of rendering intent, if so why is it called sRGB etc and why have 2 rendering intents in the workflow (The rendering intents are not greyed out in the Photoshop Printer Window)?
Best Matthew
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This explanation should be another argument never to use printer color management for color. Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst Dinkla Grafische Techniek Quad, piëzografie, giclée www.pigment-print.com On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 12:35 PM, matthew@matthewwardphotography.com < matthew@matthewwardphotography.com> wrote:
I looked at what Epson have to say online, apparently sRGB is a term for contrast increase... I guess they are trying to come up with a system which will work for professionals and novices (and managing to confuse everyone in the process)
EPSON Standard (sRGB) - Increases the contrast in images. Use this setting for color photographs. Adobe RGB - Matches image color to the Adobe RGB.
EPSON Vivid - Select this setting to enrich the blue and green tones in prints. Because this setting reproduces blue and green tones that cannot be displayed by your monitor, your prints may differ from the screen image when this function is selected. Charts and Graphs - Intensifies the colors, and lightens the midtones and highlights of an image. Use this setting for presentation graphics, such as charts and graphs.
Best Matthew
On 14 April 2015 at 10:43 Ernst Dinkla <info@pigment-print.com> wrote:
To my knowledge the printer color management can not detect what the assigned color space is in the data it gets from the application you print from. So it offers two choices of color space and expects the user to send image data with the corresponding color space assigned. The application should not perform color management but allow the choice: Let Printer do color management. No rendering in the application should have effect then. The image data should still have the color space assigned up to the the printer color management but I doubt it will be recognised. The printer color management has a default rendering but I doubt it includes BPC. Based on experience with HP Z3100 and Z3200 drivers. The PS driver of the last model offers some CMYK assigned spaces as choices too.
Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst
http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm December 2014 update, 700+ inkjet media white spectral plots
On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 10:53 AM, matthew@matthewwardphotography.com < matthew@matthewwardphotography.com> wrote:
Dear all I have struggled to understand a setting in the Epson printer driver for many years. (Yes my life is that boring). It seems to be a fairly universal setting (R2400, 3880, 4800) When using Printer Manages Colors > Print Settings > Color Settings, there is the option to select EPSON Standard (sRGB) or Adobe RGB (Along with Vivid and charts and Graphs). This setting does seem to have a slight effect on the printed image. An ARGB image seems to print slightly more accurately when the setting is Adobe RGB (Using the Pixl test image).
Does anyone know why it is there and what it is for?
The vivid etc suggests to me that it is some kind of rendering intent, if so why is it called sRGB etc and why have 2 rendering intents in the workflow (The rendering intents are not greyed out in the Photoshop Printer Window)?
Best Matthew
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Couldn't agree more. That said, periodically one has no choice. For example, a number of third party paper suppliers do not yet have profiles for the new Epson Surecolor P600 which recently appeared on the retail market. Or the available profile may be less than fully satisfactory. In that situation, if one does not have a home-based profile-making capability, it is necessary to either order a custom profile (preferred) or for expediency let Printer Manage Color using the Epson paper reference that most closely matches the third party paper. While one has every reason to be skeptical about the expedient procedure, I recently participated in a test where we did this and the results were surprisingly good from a purely visual standpoint. Mark From: Ernst Dinkla <info@pigment-print.com> To: "matthew@matthewwardphotography.com" <matthew@matthewwardphotography.com> Cc: colorsync-users@lists.apple.com Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 6:54 AM Subject: Re: Epson Printer Driver - sRGB - ARGB This explanation should be another argument never to use printer color management for color. Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst Dinkla Grafische Techniek Quad, piëzografie, giclée www.pigment-print.com On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 12:35 PM, matthew@matthewwardphotography.com < matthew@matthewwardphotography.com> wrote:
I looked at what Epson have to say online, apparently sRGB is a term for contrast increase... I guess they are trying to come up with a system which will work for professionals and novices (and managing to confuse everyone in the process)
EPSON Standard (sRGB) - Increases the contrast in images. Use this setting for color photographs. Adobe RGB - Matches image color to the Adobe RGB.
EPSON Vivid - Select this setting to enrich the blue and green tones in prints. Because this setting reproduces blue and green tones that cannot be displayed by your monitor, your prints may differ from the screen image when this function is selected. Charts and Graphs - Intensifies the colors, and lightens the midtones and highlights of an image. Use this setting for presentation graphics, such as charts and graphs.
Best Matthew
On 14 April 2015 at 10:43 Ernst Dinkla <info@pigment-print.com> wrote:
To my knowledge the printer color management can not detect what the assigned color space is in the data it gets from the application you print from. So it offers two choices of color space and expects the user to send image data with the corresponding color space assigned. The application should not perform color management but allow the choice: Let Printer do color management. No rendering in the application should have effect then. The image data should still have the color space assigned up to the the printer color management but I doubt it will be recognised. The printer color management has a default rendering but I doubt it includes BPC. Based on experience with HP Z3100 and Z3200 drivers. The PS driver of the last model offers some CMYK assigned spaces as choices too.
Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst
http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm December 2014 update, 700+ inkjet media white spectral plots
On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 10:53 AM, matthew@matthewwardphotography.com < matthew@matthewwardphotography.com> wrote:
Dear all I have struggled to understand a setting in the Epson printer driver for many years. (Yes my life is that boring). It seems to be a fairly universal setting (R2400, 3880, 4800) When using Printer Manages Colors > Print Settings > Color Settings, there is the option to select EPSON Standard (sRGB) or Adobe RGB (Along with Vivid and charts and Graphs). This setting does seem to have a slight effect on the printed image. An ARGB image seems to print slightly more accurately when the setting is Adobe RGB (Using the Pixl test image).
Does anyone know why it is there and what it is for?
The vivid etc suggests to me that it is some kind of rendering intent, if so why is it called sRGB etc and why have 2 rendering intents in the workflow (The rendering intents are not greyed out in the Photoshop Printer Window)?
Best Matthew
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