Converting current profiles for old OS versions
Hi all, [Long story version that can be skipped] I'm a photographer who runs a bunch of old film scanners (with accompanying Macs), but I do all my real work on a calibrated wide-gamut LED Lacie 724 display and Mac Pro running 10.6.7. With Vuescan I can run most of my scanners under Leopard on a G4 and a G5. I have a KVM that lets me share the display between the Mac Pro and my G5 and G4, and so when I update my calibration I can just copy the new profile from the Mac Pro to the G5 and G4. The problem is that I'm bringing a Howtek 4500 drum scanner into my workflow and apparently the best software may be the Trident 4 package that only runs under MacOS 9. Although I think color management under OS9 is pretty decent it won't recognize my monitor profile that comes from 10.6.7, so... ***[To cut to the chase, here's the question]*** Can I-- and how do I-- convert a monitor profile created by Lacie's Blue Eye Pro software (v1.0.16) under 10.6.8 to a profile format that OS9 will recognize? A more broadly related question, what are the relevant Colorsync and ICC profile versions associated with different OS releases? I just checked the wikipedia colorsync page and was disappointed. For instance I've also found that Tiger doesn't recognized my monitor profile. It couldn't possibly be using the same Colorsync profile version as OS 9.2.2-- or is it? It would be interesting to see a table for Mac, Windows, and any other relevant color manged operating systems. jt
Hi Jonathan, let me first answer a question you didn´t ask: Trident 4 is the original Howtek scanner software and it wasn´t bad at it´s time, but it has nothing to do with color management. So, a monitor profile wouldn´t help a lot. If you want an up-to-date scanner software, I´d recommend SoverFast from LaserSoft. They wrote a scanner driver for the Howtek scanners for me – back then. It should stoll be available. If you want to use your monitor profiles on an old system, make sure, they are not v4. Additionally I would make them matrix-based profiles just to be on the safe side. I am not sure which OS version tolerates which type of profile, but if it uses profiles at all, then a v2 matrix-based profile is the one you would want. BTW, that´s also the type you will have to use on a Windows system before 7. Best regards, Karl Koch ______________________________ basICColor GmbH Maistraße 18 82377 Penzberg - Germany phone: +49-(0)8856-932505 fax: +49-(0)8856-932503 email: karl.koch@color-solutions.de http://www.basICColor.de Managing Director: Karl Koch Registered Office: Penzberg Commercial Register: 172485, AG München VAT No. DE814946213 ______________________________ free profiles for standard printing conditions: http://colormanagement.org ______________________________ basICColor DISCUS Winner of the photokina STAR 2010 award Am 12.09.2011 um 04:28 schrieb Jonathan Taylor:
Hi all,
[Long story version that can be skipped] I'm a photographer who runs a bunch of old film scanners (with accompanying Macs), but I do all my real work on a calibrated wide-gamut LED Lacie 724 display and Mac Pro running 10.6.7. With Vuescan I can run most of my scanners under Leopard on a G4 and a G5. I have a KVM that lets me share the display between the Mac Pro and my G5 and G4, and so when I update my calibration I can just copy the new profile from the Mac Pro to the G5 and G4.
The problem is that I'm bringing a Howtek 4500 drum scanner into my workflow and apparently the best software may be the Trident 4 package that only runs under MacOS 9. Although I think color management under OS9 is pretty decent it won't recognize my monitor profile that comes from 10.6.7, so...
***[To cut to the chase, here's the question]*** Can I-- and how do I-- convert a monitor profile created by Lacie's Blue Eye Pro software (v1.0.16) under 10.6.8 to a profile format that OS9 will recognize?
A more broadly related question, what are the relevant Colorsync and ICC profile versions associated with different OS releases? I just checked the wikipedia colorsync page and was disappointed. For instance I've also found that Tiger doesn't recognized my monitor profile. It couldn't possibly be using the same Colorsync profile version as OS 9.2.2-- or is it? It would be interesting to see a table for Mac, Windows, and any other relevant color manged operating systems.
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How can you just copy and use profiles made on macpro to g5 and g4 if they have a different video card? Profiling monitor ties monitor with video card that was used for profiling and is not valid for all the video cards in the world. Best Regards, Derek Lambert On Sep 11, 2011, at 10:28 PM, Jonathan Taylor <jtyr71@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
[Long story version that can be skipped] I'm a photographer who runs a bunch of old film scanners (with accompanying Macs), but I do all my real work on a calibrated wide-gamut LED Lacie 724 display and Mac Pro running 10.6.7. With Vuescan I can run most of my scanners under Leopard on a G4 and a G5. I have a KVM that lets me share the display between the Mac Pro and my G5 and G4, and so when I update my calibration I can just copy the new profile from the Mac Pro to the G5 and G4.
The problem is that I'm bringing a Howtek 4500 drum scanner into my workflow and apparently the best software may be the Trident 4 package that only runs under MacOS 9. Although I think color management under OS9 is pretty decent it won't recognize my monitor profile that comes from 10.6.7, so...
***[To cut to the chase, here's the question]*** Can I-- and how do I-- convert a monitor profile created by Lacie's Blue Eye Pro software (v1.0.16) under 10.6.8 to a profile format that OS9 will recognize?
A more broadly related question, what are the relevant Colorsync and ICC profile versions associated with different OS releases? I just checked the wikipedia colorsync page and was disappointed. For instance I've also found that Tiger doesn't recognized my monitor profile. It couldn't possibly be using the same Colorsync profile version as OS 9.2.2-- or is it? It would be interesting to see a table for Mac, Windows, and any other relevant color manged operating systems.
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Derek, yes and no! As long as both video cards are digital – no problem. As soon as one or both are analog – forget it! And don´t mix Macs and PCs because a PC normally is not able to detect the vcg tag in a profile and download it to the graphic card unless you use basICColoor profiles and the appropriate LUT downloader. Best regards, Karl Koch ______________________________ basICColor GmbH Maistraße 18 82377 Penzberg - Germany phone: +49-(0)8856-932505 fax: +49-(0)8856-932503 email: karl.koch@color-solutions.de http://www.basICColor.de Managing Director: Karl Koch Registered Office: Penzberg Commercial Register: 172485, AG München VAT No. DE814946213 ______________________________ free profiles for standard printing conditions: http://colormanagement.org ______________________________ basICColor DISCUS Winner of the photokina STAR 2010 award Am 12.09.2011 um 13:04 schrieb Derek Lambert:
How can you just copy and use profiles made on macpro to g5 and g4 if they have a different video card?
Profiling monitor ties monitor with video card that was used for profiling and is not valid for all the video cards in the world.
Best Regards,
Derek Lambert
On Sep 11, 2011, at 10:28 PM, Jonathan Taylor <jtyr71@gmail.com> wrote:
Karl, I see the advantage basICColor has over competitors. So it does not matter if you have ATI card in one mac and NVIDA in the other as long as they have DVI, Display Port ot Thunderbold you are fine? Best Regards, Derek Lambert On Sep 12, 2011, at 8:11 AM, Karl Koch <kk@basICColor.de> wrote:
Derek,
yes and no! As long as both video cards are digital – no problem. As soon as one or both are analog – forget it! And don´t mix Macs and PCs because a PC normally is not able to detect the vcg tag in a profile and download it to the graphic card unless you use basICColoor profiles and the appropriate LUT downloader.
Best regards, Karl Koch
______________________________ basICColor GmbH Maistraße 18 82377 Penzberg - Germany
phone: +49-(0)8856-932505 fax: +49-(0)8856-932503 email: karl.koch@color-solutions.de http://www.basICColor.de
Managing Director: Karl Koch Registered Office: Penzberg Commercial Register: 172485, AG München VAT No. DE814946213 ______________________________ free profiles for standard printing conditions: http://colormanagement.org ______________________________ basICColor DISCUS Winner of the photokina STAR 2010 award
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Am 12.09.2011 um 13:04 schrieb Derek Lambert:
How can you just copy and use profiles made on macpro to g5 and g4 if they have a different video card?
Profiling monitor ties monitor with video card that was used for profiling and is not valid for all the video cards in the world.
Best Regards,
Derek Lambert
On Sep 11, 2011, at 10:28 PM, Jonathan Taylor <jtyr71@gmail.com> wrote:
Karl Koch wrote:
analog – forget it! And don´t mix Macs and PCs because a PC normally is not able to detect the vcg tag in a profile and download it to the graphic card unless you use basICColoor profiles and the appropriate LUT downloader.
Well, unless you happen to be using one of any other number of PC profiling and calibration packages that also implement VCGT support, including Microsoft itself... (Do any NOT support vcgt loading ?) Graeme Gill.
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