Hello, all. Anyone aware of an application which will facilitate reflective measurement of a sample, using an Eye-One Pro (ideally, any rev, A-E), and return device values for a chosen ICC profile? It would need to run on the latest Mac OS. Export options (such as Excel, Photoshop) would be nice, but not necessary. This functionality was available in PM ColorPicker and Eye-One Share, neither of which are supported or functional on current Mac platform. Thanks for any suggestions!
Hello, not the smoothest way, but free of charge (if Photoshop is available): - Download and install latest i1Profiler software (support all REVs of i1Pro devices): http://www.xrite.com/i1profiler-i1publish/support - Launch i1Profiler, select 'Advanced User Mode' - Select workflow option 'Measure Chart' (bottom left in UI) - Define a chart with one color patch (or more, if desired) - Select desired measurement instrument - Next, take the measurement(s) of the color(s) (works in demo mode) - Save the measurement as 'i1Profiler CGATS Custom.txt' file, specify desired included values (e.g. LAB, spectral, etc.) - Open TXT file to get the measured LAB values - Open Photoshop, define new color; click on foreground color in toolbar, enter the measured LAB value, then go to tab Swatches > New Swatch, which adds your defined foreground color to the swatches window) - In Photoshop's Color Settings define desired Working Spaces (profiles for RGB, CMYK) and Rendering Intent - When now moving with the pipette over the added own color swatches (defined in LAB), alternate device values (RGB, CMYK) should be displayed and these values are depending on the working space profiles, defined in Photoshop's Color Settings Kind regards, Liane -----Original Message----- From: colorsync-users-bounces+lmay=xrite.com@lists.apple.com [mailto:colorsync-users-bounces+lmay=xrite.com@lists.apple.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Hansen Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:51 PM To: Colorsync users Subject: Device values from i1 swatch measurements Hello, all. Anyone aware of an application which will facilitate reflective measurement of a sample, using an Eye-One Pro (ideally, any rev, A-E), and return device values for a chosen ICC profile? It would need to run on the latest Mac OS. Export options (such as Excel, Photoshop) would be nice, but not necessary. This functionality was available in PM ColorPicker and Eye-One Share, neither of which are supported or functional on current Mac platform. Thanks for any suggestions! _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Colorsync-users mailing list (Colorsync-users@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/colorsync-users/lmay%40xrite.com This email sent to lmay@xrite.com
Hi, Liane. Thanks, very much. It's not as simple as we'd like. But, it's a clever, solid, and free option. I'd consider simplifying the last few steps, and just use Photoshop's color picker (foreground/background color), alone, to do the profile interrogation. The device values (CMYK or RGB) are displayed instantly in the color picker, when the Lab values are entered. I'm still hoping for a simpler, more direct solution. We do enough of this that the time to save measurement files, open them and type data into Photoshop will add up to many hours, and increase errors. Jeremy On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Liane May <lmay@xrite.com> wrote:
Hello,
not the smoothest way, but free of charge (if Photoshop is available):
- Download and install latest i1Profiler software (support all REVs of i1Pro devices): http://www.xrite.com/i1profiler-i1publish/support
- Launch i1Profiler, select 'Advanced User Mode' - Select workflow option 'Measure Chart' (bottom left in UI) - Define a chart with one color patch (or more, if desired) - Select desired measurement instrument - Next, take the measurement(s) of the color(s) (works in demo mode) - Save the measurement as 'i1Profiler CGATS Custom.txt' file, specify desired included values (e.g. LAB, spectral, etc.) - Open TXT file to get the measured LAB values - Open Photoshop, define new color; click on foreground color in toolbar, enter the measured LAB value, then go to tab Swatches > New Swatch, which adds your defined foreground color to the swatches window) - In Photoshop's Color Settings define desired Working Spaces (profiles for RGB, CMYK) and Rendering Intent - When now moving with the pipette over the added own color swatches (defined in LAB), alternate device values (RGB, CMYK) should be displayed and these values are depending on the working space profiles, defined in Photoshop's Color Settings
Kind regards, Liane
-----Original Message----- From: colorsync-users-bounces+lmay=xrite.com@lists.apple.com [mailto: colorsync-users-bounces+lmay=xrite.com@lists.apple.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Hansen Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:51 PM To: Colorsync users Subject: Device values from i1 swatch measurements
Hello, all.
Anyone aware of an application which will facilitate reflective measurement of a sample, using an Eye-One Pro (ideally, any rev, A-E), and return device values for a chosen ICC profile? It would need to run on the latest Mac OS. Export options (such as Excel, Photoshop) would be nice, but not necessary.
This functionality was available in PM ColorPicker and Eye-One Share, neither of which are supported or functional on current Mac platform.
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On Dec 17, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Jeremy Hansen <jeremy.hansen@rrd.com> wrote:
Anyone aware of an application which will facilitate reflective measurement of a sample, using an Eye-One Pro (ideally, any rev, A-E), and return device values for a chosen ICC profile? It would need to run on the latest Mac OS.
If you're not afraid of the command line, Argyll does all that and more. b&
Hi, Ben. Thank you. Not so much afraid, but inept. I'd need to give myself a crash course, and also the gents who would be using it. Looking at the tool descriptions, it's not clear to me how to complete the task. Maybe chartread and a little icclu? Though I've been meaning to explore Argyll, it seems overly complicated for this task. What do you think? Easier than I imagine, or a bit much for a couple of clerical workers to be expected to master? Another good [offline] suggestion is to run Windows (via Parallels or other means), and keep using ProfileMaker's ColorPicker. Though that's even more complicated to set up, the relative ease for the users has me leaning that way, so far. I'm still surprised that there doesn't seem to be a supported application that does this, in a straightforward way. *Jeremy* On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Ben Goren <ben@trumpetpower.com> wrote:
On Dec 17, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Jeremy Hansen <jeremy.hansen@rrd.com> wrote:
Anyone aware of an application which will facilitate reflective measurement of a sample, using an Eye-One Pro (ideally, any rev, A-E), and return device values for a chosen ICC profile? It would need to run on the latest Mac OS.
If you're not afraid of the command line, Argyll does all that and more.
b&
On Dec 17, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Jeremy Hansen <jeremy.hansen@rrd.com> wrote:
Another good [offline] suggestion is to run Windows (via Parallels or other means), and keep using ProfileMaker's ColorPicker.
I guess if you own that product. What I ended up doing is getting an old MacBook that can run Rosetta applications (and boot into OS9 for really old CMS products) on eBay. Couple years ago it was a mere $160 so probably less today. You don't have to mess with (ugh) Windows and you can run all that great legacy CMS software we SHOULD have today running on a modern OS. Andrew Rodney
Hi, Andrew. Thanks, a bunch. I'm not allowed to use an unsupported operating system, in this environment. But, maybe they'd go for the separate laptop idea, if it were never placed on the network. I appreciate the suggestion. Jeremy On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Andrew Rodney <andrew@digitaldog.net> wrote:
On Dec 17, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Jeremy Hansen <jeremy.hansen@rrd.com> wrote:
Another good [offline] suggestion is to run Windows (via Parallels or other means), and keep using ProfileMaker's ColorPicker.
I guess if you own that product. What I ended up doing is getting an old MacBook that can run Rosetta applications (and boot into OS9 for really old CMS products) on eBay. Couple years ago it was a mere $160 so probably less today. You don't have to mess with (ugh) Windows and you can run all that great legacy CMS software we SHOULD have today running on a modern OS.
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On Dec 17, 2014, at 12:37 PM, Jeremy Hansen <jeremy.hansen@rrd.com> wrote:
Hi, Andrew.
Thanks, a bunch. I'm not allowed to use an unsupported operating system, in this environment. But, maybe they'd go for the separate laptop idea, if it were never placed on the network. I appreciate the suggestion.
Might also want to check on BableColor. It does so much I'm not totally sure it will fit the bill and hopefully Danny will chime in. http://www.babelcolor.com Andrew Rodney
Hello Andrew, "...I'm not totally sure it will fit the bill and hopefully Danny will chime in. ." Chiming in... Yes it will fit, in a two step process. 1- Measure the patches in PatchTool Patch-Reader (Unconstrained measurements option). 2- Open the measurement file in PatchTool and associate the CMYK or RGB profiles of your choice. As for the other requirements expressed by Jeremy: PatchTool can export in CGATS (compatible with a spreadsheet app), simplified text file for a spreadsheet, CxF3, or Photoshop Swatch Exchange format. It is Mac OS X compatible. Danny Pascale www.babelcolor.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Rodney" <andrew@digitaldog.net> To: "Colorsync users" <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 2:47 PM Subject: Re: Device values from i1 swatch measurements
On Dec 17, 2014, at 12:37 PM, Jeremy Hansen <jeremy.hansen@rrd.com> wrote:
Hi, Andrew.
Thanks, a bunch. I'm not allowed to use an unsupported operating system, in this environment. But, maybe they'd go for the separate laptop idea, if it were never placed on the network. I appreciate the suggestion.
Might also want to check on BableColor. It does so much I'm not totally sure it will fit the bill and hopefully Danny will chime in.
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It's apparently an old issue but I just became aware while looking in Console that the HAPS software that X-rite installs for i1Profiler on Mac crashes every few seconds. X-rite even has a very old page discussing this (http://www.xrite.com/product_overview.aspx?ID=1469&Action=support&SupportID=...) yet they haven’t apparently fixed this in their installer for i1P (I did a new install to verify this, 1.5.6). I had to go to the page below, download a new HAPS installer (Sentinel_Runtime). Now NO crashing every 10 seconds: http://sentinelcustomer.safenet-inc.com/sentineldownloads/?s=&c=End+User&p=S... If you're on Mac, you might want to check Console and look for this crash, update the software found above. Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/
On Dec 17, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Jeremy Hansen <jeremy.hansen@rrd.com> wrote:
Maybe chartread and a little icclu?
Actually, spotread and xicclu.
Though I've been meaning to explore Argyll, it seems overly complicated for this task. What do you think? Easier than I imagine, or a bit much for a couple of clerical workers to be expected to master?
Hard to say, not knowing your background. It's free, so it will only cost you time, not money. For this particular task, it's just a couple commands for you to figure out and jot down; hardly anything. If you have IT support, it'd be trivial for somebody there to whip up a point-n-click AppleScript application that called those commands for you, and to update and enhance the application as needed. Also well worth considering is Danny's BabelColor, per the other responses. b&
On Dec 17, 2014, at 8:23 AM, Jeremy Hansen <jeremy.hansen@rrd.com> wrote:
Hi, Liane.
Thanks, very much. It's not as simple as we'd like. But, it's a clever, solid, and free option.
I'd consider simplifying the last few steps, and just use Photoshop's color picker (foreground/background color), alone, to do the profile interrogation. The device values (CMYK or RGB) are displayed instantly in the color picker, when the Lab values are entered.
I'm still hoping for a simpler, more direct solution. We do enough of this that the time to save measurement files, open them and type data into Photoshop will add up to many hours, and increase errors.
Hi Jeremy, ColorThink doesn’t directly take measurements at this time but it certainly can be used to convert any Lab (or device values) through a profile using the rendering intent of your choice. Just open a CGATS file in ColorThink and drop any profile you want onto the list. The rendering intent setting is available as a popup above the profile. We’ll be adding direct measurement capabilities in the next version of ColorThink Pro to make things easier still. There’s more information about using the worksheet in ColorThink Pro here: <http://www.colorwiki.com/wiki/ColorThink_Pro_-_Color_Worksheet_Part_1> regards, Steve
It would be particularly awesome if it supported the sadly discontinued, but on-going excellent X-Rite Pulse spectro. Mark From: Andrew Rodney <andrew@digitaldog.net> To: Colorsync users <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 2:00 PM Subject: Re: Device values from i1 swatch measurements
On Dec 17, 2014, at 11:56 AM, Steve Upton <upton@chromix.com> wrote:
We’ll be adding direct measurement capabilities in the next version of ColorThink Pro to make things easier still.
That's awesome news! Can you say more about supported hardware? Andrew Rodney _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Colorsync-users mailing list (Colorsync-users@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/colorsync-users/mgsegal%40rogers.com This email sent to mgsegal@rogers.com
On Dec 17, 2014, at 11:00 AM, Andrew Rodney <andrew@digitaldog.net> wrote:
On Dec 17, 2014, at 11:56 AM, Steve Upton <upton@chromix.com> wrote:
We’ll be adding direct measurement capabilities in the next version of ColorThink Pro to make things easier still.
That's awesome news! Can you say more about supported hardware?
It will be the same hardware we support in Maxwell. At the moment that includes i1 Pro, iO, iSis and soon the Barbieri Spectro pad and Spectro LFP. We’ll likely add others as well (including eXact).
On Dec 17, 2014, at 11:03 AM, MARK SEGAL <mgsegal@rogers.com> wrote:
It would be particularly awesome if it supported the sadly discontinued, but on-going excellent X-Rite Pulse spectro.
Yeah, that’s not likely, I’m afraid. It’s not only putting the work into support of a long-discontinued product but ongoing support for new OSs in their SDK becomes a significant problem as well. regards, Steve
Hey, Steve! Thank you, sir. I like that, too. But, again, I'm worried about making these guys' heads explode. They are used to pressing a button, and getting devices values, instantly. The prospect of saving a measurement file, dropping it into ColorThink, configuring settings, exporting another file and opening it, prior to transcribing device values, would be a harsh. They might have to do this a couple dozen separate times, in a day. *___________________________________________* *Jeremy Hansen | **RR Donnelley* *Image Quality Specialist - Global **Process Management* 168 East Highland Avenue | Elgin, Illinois 60120 | 847.931.6383 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Steve Upton <upton@chromix.com> wrote:
On Dec 17, 2014, at 8:23 AM, Jeremy Hansen <jeremy.hansen@rrd.com> wrote:
Hi, Liane.
Thanks, very much. It's not as simple as we'd like. But, it's a clever, solid, and free option.
I'd consider simplifying the last few steps, and just use Photoshop's color picker (foreground/background color), alone, to do the profile interrogation. The device values (CMYK or RGB) are displayed instantly in the color picker, when the Lab values are entered.
I'm still hoping for a simpler, more direct solution. We do enough of this that the time to save measurement files, open them and type data into Photoshop will add up to many hours, and increase errors.
Hi Jeremy,
ColorThink doesn’t directly take measurements at this time but it certainly can be used to convert any Lab (or device values) through a profile using the rendering intent of your choice.
Just open a CGATS file in ColorThink and drop any profile you want onto the list. The rendering intent setting is available as a popup above the profile.
We’ll be adding direct measurement capabilities in the next version of ColorThink Pro to make things easier still.
There’s more information about using the worksheet in ColorThink Pro here:
<http://www.colorwiki.com/wiki/ColorThink_Pro_-_Color_Worksheet_Part_1>
regards,
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Here’s a tool I saw at the color management conference last week…..Tucanna Quality Control 2.1…only negative is that it’s currently Windows-only. Hopefully that will change in the future. 99 bucks and it has quite a few functions. Terry
On Dec 17, 2014, at 2:32 PM, Jeremy Hansen <jeremy.hansen@rrd.com> wrote:
Hey, Steve!
Thank you, sir. I like that, too. But, again, I'm worried about making these guys' heads explode. They are used to pressing a button, and getting devices values, instantly. The prospect of saving a measurement file, dropping it into ColorThink, configuring settings, exporting another file and opening it, prior to transcribing device values, would be a harsh. They might have to do this a couple dozen separate times, in a day.
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On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Steve Upton <upton@chromix.com> wrote:
On Dec 17, 2014, at 8:23 AM, Jeremy Hansen <jeremy.hansen@rrd.com> wrote:
Hi, Liane.
Thanks, very much. It's not as simple as we'd like. But, it's a clever, solid, and free option.
I'd consider simplifying the last few steps, and just use Photoshop's color picker (foreground/background color), alone, to do the profile interrogation. The device values (CMYK or RGB) are displayed instantly in the color picker, when the Lab values are entered.
I'm still hoping for a simpler, more direct solution. We do enough of this that the time to save measurement files, open them and type data into Photoshop will add up to many hours, and increase errors.
Hi Jeremy,
ColorThink doesn’t directly take measurements at this time but it certainly can be used to convert any Lab (or device values) through a profile using the rendering intent of your choice.
Just open a CGATS file in ColorThink and drop any profile you want onto the list. The rendering intent setting is available as a popup above the profile.
We’ll be adding direct measurement capabilities in the next version of ColorThink Pro to make things easier still.
There’s more information about using the worksheet in ColorThink Pro here:
<http://www.colorwiki.com/wiki/ColorThink_Pro_-_Color_Worksheet_Part_1>
regards,
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Jeremy Hansen wrote:
Anyone aware of an application which will facilitate reflective measurement of a sample, using an Eye-One Pro (ideally, any rev, A-E), and return device values for a chosen ICC profile? It would need to run on the latest Mac OS. Export options (such as Excel, Photoshop) would be nice, but not necessary.
If there were sufficient interest, I could add a general ICC device space readout to ColorMeter. (Currently there is just a configurable RGB space readout, but an ICC one would be similar). Graeme Gill.
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