I know this is not about colour but it is a Mac forum... I (bravely) upgraded to the new Mac OS X (El Capitan). It immediately disabled my USB hub which meant I had to reconfigure my connected devices in order to connect one 8gb USB flash drive to my Mac Mini 1TB Fusion Drive where the sockets are inconveniently located out of sight at the back of the machine and so close together you have to pick it up to get them in. But it looks nice. I then opened the Disk Utility which I discovered had been redesigned in order to format the USB drive to give to someone with a PC. The new Disk Utility looks nice too however, after formatting the flash drive it was unreadable in any PC. I formatted the same USB drive in a PC as FAT 32. It only allowed me to create a single partition of 200mb. When I plug it back into the Mac I have two partitions: one with the original data that should have been erased when formatted in the PC, and new files that I copied from the PC for testing. I repeated the task using ExFat. Same result. I did it again using a 4gb USB flash drive. Same result: Two partitions, no data erased after formatting on the PC (Windows 7). I am glad to have discovered these idiosyncrasies before performing the same task on one of my external hard drives or relying on a my USB ports for a chain of printers. Before someone replies with an obvious and simple explanation resulting from something I am doing wrong I would like to get in first. I appreciate Apple has set the benchmark in terms of style but it is these 'little things' that take away the gloss. When will they learn that, in a world of practical necessity, form is nothing without function? I like the style but I need the substance. Regards, Mark Stegman
Playing games that make disks incompatible is an old Apple tradition EDMUND On Oct 18, 2015 05:33, "Mark Stegman" <mark.stegman@gmail.com> wrote:
I know this is not about colour but it is a Mac forum...
I (bravely) upgraded to the new Mac OS X (El Capitan). It immediately disabled my USB hub which meant I had to reconfigure my connected devices in order to connect one 8gb USB flash drive to my Mac Mini 1TB Fusion Drive where the sockets are inconveniently located out of sight at the back of the machine and so close together you have to pick it up to get them in. But it looks nice.
I then opened the Disk Utility which I discovered had been redesigned in order to format the USB drive to give to someone with a PC. The new Disk Utility looks nice too however, after formatting the flash drive it was unreadable in any PC.
I formatted the same USB drive in a PC as FAT 32. It only allowed me to create a single partition of 200mb.
When I plug it back into the Mac I have two partitions: one with the original data that should have been erased when formatted in the PC, and new files that I copied from the PC for testing.
I repeated the task using ExFat. Same result. I did it again using a 4gb USB flash drive. Same result: Two partitions, no data erased after formatting on the PC (Windows 7).
I am glad to have discovered these idiosyncrasies before performing the same task on one of my external hard drives or relying on a my USB ports for a chain of printers.
Before someone replies with an obvious and simple explanation resulting from something I am doing wrong I would like to get in first. I appreciate Apple has set the benchmark in terms of style but it is these 'little things' that take away the gloss. When will they learn that, in a world of practical necessity, form is nothing without function?
I like the style but I need the substance.
Regards,
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Edmund, maybe I missed it, but I don’t see where Apple made disks incompatible. What I think I read is: 1. Mark’s USB hub became “disabled” when he installed El Capitan. (It might be useful to know more, e.g. what brand & model hub, what troubleshooting steps he tried, etc.) 2. He used Disk Utility to format a USB flash drive, then the drive could not be ready by Windows. (It would definitely be useful to know what format & “scheme" he applied in Disk Utility! It would also be good to confirm that Mark reformatted the DEVICE, not the VOLUME.) 3. He had issues with several attempts at formatting the USB flash drive with Windows. The only Mac-specific issues Mark has identified are: 1. His USB hub became “disabled”. 2. He doesn’t like the arrangement of ports on his Mac Mini. He also had an issue formatting his USB flash drive on his Mac, but then again he had issues formatting the same drive using Windows, so maybe the drive is defective. Enjoy, Jim
On Oct 18, 2015, at 5:53 AM, edmund ronald <edmundronald@gmail.com> wrote:
Playing games that make disks incompatible is an old Apple tradition
EDMUND On Oct 18, 2015 05:33, "Mark Stegman" <mark.stegman@gmail.com> wrote:
I know this is not about colour but it is a Mac forum...
I (bravely) upgraded to the new Mac OS X (El Capitan). It immediately disabled my USB hub which meant I had to reconfigure my connected devices in order to connect one 8gb USB flash drive to my Mac Mini 1TB Fusion Drive where the sockets are inconveniently located out of sight at the back of the machine and so close together you have to pick it up to get them in. But it looks nice.
I then opened the Disk Utility which I discovered had been redesigned in order to format the USB drive to give to someone with a PC. The new Disk Utility looks nice too however, after formatting the flash drive it was unreadable in any PC.
I formatted the same USB drive in a PC as FAT 32. It only allowed me to create a single partition of 200mb.
When I plug it back into the Mac I have two partitions: one with the original data that should have been erased when formatted in the PC, and new files that I copied from the PC for testing.
I repeated the task using ExFat. Same result. I did it again using a 4gb USB flash drive. Same result: Two partitions, no data erased after formatting on the PC (Windows 7).
I am glad to have discovered these idiosyncrasies before performing the same task on one of my external hard drives or relying on a my USB ports for a chain of printers.
Before someone replies with an obvious and simple explanation resulting from something I am doing wrong I would like to get in first. I appreciate Apple has set the benchmark in terms of style but it is these 'little things' that take away the gloss. When will they learn that, in a world of practical necessity, form is nothing without function?
I like the style but I need the substance.
Regards,
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Jim, It seems I did not make myself clear. The issues are definitely on the Mac side. I formatted the USB, plugged directly into the back of my Mac Mini (the USB hub being now redundant). I did this several times with two different USB flash drives: an 8gb and a 4gb. I used FAT 32 initially [described in the new Disk utility as MS-DOS (FAT) but confirmed as FAT 32 using Get Info] and then ExFAT. ALL options produced unreadable Flash drives on the PC. I should add that the problem arose initially when I delivered some photos to a printer so it is not just my aging PC. In ALL cases the PC told me that the drive was unreadable and that I needed to format it, which I did. However, it would only allocate 200mb of space. When I opened either drive on the Mac I have two visible partitions and the data of both, which should have been destroyed in the PC formatting process, has been preserved. I am left with two flash drives, formatted to be compatible with Windows, which I can ONLY use on a Mac! It would seem that they have changed something other than the interface in this redesigned Disk Utility with respect to formatting drives for compatibility with Windows. I assume the issue with the USB is more than likely a driver issue. Thanks. Mark On 19 October 2015 at 04:02, Jim Warthman <jwarthmanlists@gmail.com> wrote:
Edmund, maybe I missed it, but I don’t see where Apple made disks incompatible.
What I think I read is:
1. Mark’s USB hub became “disabled” when he installed El Capitan. (It might be useful to know more, e.g. what brand & model hub, what troubleshooting steps he tried, etc.)
2. He used Disk Utility to format a USB flash drive, then the drive could not be ready by Windows. (It would definitely be useful to know what format & “scheme" he applied in Disk Utility! It would also be good to confirm that Mark reformatted the DEVICE, not the VOLUME.)
3. He had issues with several attempts at formatting the USB flash drive with Windows.
The only Mac-specific issues Mark has identified are:
1. His USB hub became “disabled”. 2. He doesn’t like the arrangement of ports on his Mac Mini.
He also had an issue formatting his USB flash drive on his Mac, but then again he had issues formatting the same drive using Windows, so maybe the drive is defective.
Enjoy,
Jim
On Oct 18, 2015, at 5:53 AM, edmund ronald <edmundronald@gmail.com> wrote:
Playing games that make disks incompatible is an old Apple tradition
EDMUND On Oct 18, 2015 05:33, "Mark Stegman" <mark.stegman@gmail.com> wrote:
I know this is not about colour but it is a Mac forum...
I (bravely) upgraded to the new Mac OS X (El Capitan). It immediately disabled my USB hub which meant I had to reconfigure my connected devices in order to connect one 8gb USB flash drive to my Mac Mini 1TB Fusion Drive where the sockets are inconveniently located out of sight at the back of the machine and so close together you have to pick it up to get them in. But it looks nice.
I then opened the Disk Utility which I discovered had been redesigned in order to format the USB drive to give to someone with a PC. The new Disk Utility looks nice too however, after formatting the flash drive it was unreadable in any PC.
I formatted the same USB drive in a PC as FAT 32. It only allowed me to create a single partition of 200mb.
When I plug it back into the Mac I have two partitions: one with the original data that should have been erased when formatted in the PC, and new files that I copied from the PC for testing.
I repeated the task using ExFat. Same result. I did it again using a 4gb USB flash drive. Same result: Two partitions, no data erased after formatting on the PC (Windows 7).
I am glad to have discovered these idiosyncrasies before performing the same task on one of my external hard drives or relying on a my USB ports for a chain of printers.
Before someone replies with an obvious and simple explanation resulting from something I am doing wrong I would like to get in first. I appreciate Apple has set the benchmark in terms of style but it is these 'little things' that take away the gloss. When will they learn that, in a world of practical necessity, form is nothing without function?
I like the style but I need the substance.
Regards,
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On Oct 18, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Mark Stegman <mark.stegman@gmail.com> wrote:
In ALL cases the PC told me that the drive was unreadable and that I needed to format it, which I did. However, it would only allocate 200mb of space.
You partitioned the disk with an MBR partition map rather than GPT. You'd only ever want MBR for ancient legacy stuff. b&
Ben, Sorry but that its NOT what I did. I used the default GUID Partition Map. Mark On 19 October 2015 at 10:00, Ben Goren <ben@trumpetpower.com> wrote:
On Oct 18, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Mark Stegman <mark.stegman@gmail.com> wrote:
In ALL cases the PC told me that the drive was unreadable and that I needed to format it, which I did. However, it would only allocate 200mb of space.
You partitioned the disk with an MBR partition map rather than GPT. You'd only ever want MBR for ancient legacy stuff.
b&
Ben, Update... I thought I would try what you said I had done (and didn't do) and used the MBR option for the partition map scheme. It worked! Sort of. The PC did not recognise the flash drive and required me to reformat it, which I did, only this time it recognised its full capacity (8gb) so I was able to reformat the drive as FAT32 and have workable device. This was leading me to the conclusion that the menus for the partition map scheme in the Mac Disk Utility are now simply wrong. I plugged the flash drive back into the Mac. It seemed to be working fine. I copied files OK. Then I tried reformatting it again using the Disk Utility. Now the partition map scheme options for MS-DOS (FAT), ExFAT or any other scheme have disappeared! If I return to the other flash drive formatted using GUID the options appear again. I feel like I am wasting my time... and yours, but this is a pain when other people still require files to be delivered or backed up on Windows compatible flash drives. It seems my crusty old PC is still good for something. At least I have one way of creating a usable, windows compatible flash drive... use a PC. Thanks. Mark On 19 October 2015 at 10:09, Mark Stegman <mark.stegman@gmail.com> wrote:
Ben,
Sorry but that its NOT what I did. I used the default GUID Partition Map.
Mark
On 19 October 2015 at 10:00, Ben Goren <ben@trumpetpower.com> wrote:
On Oct 18, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Mark Stegman <mark.stegman@gmail.com> wrote:
In ALL cases the PC told me that the drive was unreadable and that I needed to format it, which I did. However, it would only allocate 200mb of space.
You partitioned the disk with an MBR partition map rather than GPT. You'd only ever want MBR for ancient legacy stuff.
b&
Hi, Try this from the SD Card Association . SD Card Formatter. Gratis. https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/ There's two versions, one runs on Windows the other on a Mac. I'm on Mac OS 10.10.5 - seems fine. The SD card is always be formatted for Windows use. The program can also do a 'low level or write zero's' erase. It fixed a troublesome 256 GB SD Card I have - the Apple Disc Utility didn't format it with the correct block size. Made it unreadable via Bootcamp partition. Regards Rory Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone
On 19 Oct 2015, at 03:21, Mark Stegman <mark.stegman@gmail.com> wrote:
Ben,
Update... I thought I would try what you said I had done (and didn't do) and used the MBR option for the partition map scheme. It worked! Sort of.
The PC did not recognise the flash drive and required me to reformat it, which I did, only this time it recognised its full capacity (8gb) so I was able to reformat the drive as FAT32 and have workable device. This was leading me to the conclusion that the menus for the partition map scheme in the Mac Disk Utility are now simply wrong.
I plugged the flash drive back into the Mac. It seemed to be working fine. I copied files OK. Then I tried reformatting it again using the Disk Utility. Now the partition map scheme options for MS-DOS (FAT), ExFAT or any other scheme have disappeared! If I return to the other flash drive formatted using GUID the options appear again.
I feel like I am wasting my time... and yours, but this is a pain when other people still require files to be delivered or backed up on Windows compatible flash drives. It seems my crusty old PC is still good for something. At least I have one way of creating a usable, windows compatible flash drive... use a PC.
Thanks.
Mark
On 19 October 2015 at 10:09, Mark Stegman <mark.stegman@gmail.com> wrote:
Ben,
Sorry but that its NOT what I did. I used the default GUID Partition Map.
Mark
On 19 October 2015 at 10:00, Ben Goren <ben@trumpetpower.com> wrote:
On Oct 18, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Mark Stegman <mark.stegman@gmail.com> wrote:
In ALL cases the PC told me that the drive was unreadable and that I needed to format it, which I did. However, it would only allocate 200mb of space.
You partitioned the disk with an MBR partition map rather than GPT. You'd only ever want MBR for ancient legacy stuff.
b&
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Rory, Thanks for your suggestion. I ill try it as a more reliable alternative. I would rather Apple fix their products or, should I say, just not break those that work. With any luck they are monitoring this forum. Regards, Mark
On 19 Oct 2015, at 7:03 PM, Rory Leonard <roryleonard@mac.com> wrote:
Hi,
Try this from the SD Card Association .
SD Card Formatter. Gratis.
https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/
There's two versions, one runs on Windows the other on a Mac.
I'm on Mac OS 10.10.5 - seems fine.
The SD card is always be formatted for Windows use.
The program can also do a 'low level or write zero's' erase.
It fixed a troublesome 256 GB SD Card I have - the Apple Disc Utility didn't format it with the correct block size. Made it unreadable via Bootcamp partition.
Regards Rory
Sent from my iPhone
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On 19 Oct 2015, at 03:21, Mark Stegman <mark.stegman@gmail.com> wrote:
Ben,
Update... I thought I would try what you said I had done (and didn't do) and used the MBR option for the partition map scheme. It worked! Sort of.
The PC did not recognise the flash drive and required me to reformat it, which I did, only this time it recognised its full capacity (8gb) so I was able to reformat the drive as FAT32 and have workable device. This was leading me to the conclusion that the menus for the partition map scheme in the Mac Disk Utility are now simply wrong.
I plugged the flash drive back into the Mac. It seemed to be working fine. I copied files OK. Then I tried reformatting it again using the Disk Utility. Now the partition map scheme options for MS-DOS (FAT), ExFAT or any other scheme have disappeared! If I return to the other flash drive formatted using GUID the options appear again.
I feel like I am wasting my time... and yours, but this is a pain when other people still require files to be delivered or backed up on Windows compatible flash drives. It seems my crusty old PC is still good for something. At least I have one way of creating a usable, windows compatible flash drive... use a PC.
Thanks.
Mark
On 19 October 2015 at 10:09, Mark Stegman <mark.stegman@gmail.com> wrote:
Ben,
Sorry but that its NOT what I did. I used the default GUID Partition Map.
Mark
On 19 October 2015 at 10:00, Ben Goren <ben@trumpetpower.com> wrote:
On Oct 18, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Mark Stegman <mark.stegman@gmail.com> wrote:
In ALL cases the PC told me that the drive was unreadable and that I needed to format it, which I did. However, it would only allocate 200mb of space.
You partitioned the disk with an MBR partition map rather than GPT. You'd only ever want MBR for ancient legacy stuff.
b&
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It's not like Apple to listen to feedback. Their culture is one of innovation and design, so they're more likely to wait for everyone else to adapt to what they've done than to admit that they've made a mistake. john -----Original Message----- From: Mark Stegman Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 4:15 AM To: Rory Leonard Cc: 'colorsync-users?lists. apple. com' List Subject: Re: New Mac OS - little things that are most annoying Rory, Thanks for your suggestion. I ill try it as a more reliable alternative. I would rather Apple fix their products or, should I say, just not break those that work. With any luck they are monitoring this forum. Regards, Mark
On 19 Oct 2015, at 7:03 PM, Rory Leonard <roryleonard@mac.com> wrote:
Hi,
Try this from the SD Card Association .
SD Card Formatter. Gratis.
https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/
There's two versions, one runs on Windows the other on a Mac.
I'm on Mac OS 10.10.5 - seems fine.
The SD card is always be formatted for Windows use.
The program can also do a 'low level or write zero's' erase.
It fixed a troublesome 256 GB SD Card I have - the Apple Disc Utility didn't format it with the correct block size. Made it unreadable via Bootcamp partition.
Regards Rory
Sent from my iPhone
Sent from my iPhone
On 19 Oct 2015, at 03:21, Mark Stegman <mark.stegman@gmail.com> wrote:
Ben,
Update... I thought I would try what you said I had done (and didn't do) and used the MBR option for the partition map scheme. It worked! Sort of.
The PC did not recognise the flash drive and required me to reformat it, which I did, only this time it recognised its full capacity (8gb) so I was able to reformat the drive as FAT32 and have workable device. This was leading me to the conclusion that the menus for the partition map scheme in the Mac Disk Utility are now simply wrong.
I plugged the flash drive back into the Mac. It seemed to be working fine. I copied files OK. Then I tried reformatting it again using the Disk Utility. Now the partition map scheme options for MS-DOS (FAT), ExFAT or any other scheme have disappeared! If I return to the other flash drive formatted using GUID the options appear again.
I feel like I am wasting my time... and yours, but this is a pain when other people still require files to be delivered or backed up on Windows compatible flash drives. It seems my crusty old PC is still good for something. At least I have one way of creating a usable, windows compatible flash drive... use a PC.
Thanks.
Mark
On 19 October 2015 at 10:09, Mark Stegman <mark.stegman@gmail.com> wrote:
Ben,
Sorry but that its NOT what I did. I used the default GUID Partition Map.
Mark
On 19 October 2015 at 10:00, Ben Goren <ben@trumpetpower.com> wrote:
On Oct 18, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Mark Stegman <mark.stegman@gmail.com> wrote:
In ALL cases the PC told me that the drive was unreadable and that I needed to format it, which I did. However, it would only allocate 200mb of space.
You partitioned the disk with an MBR partition map rather than GPT. You'd only ever want MBR for ancient legacy stuff.
b&
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