Re: Color Mgmt with Creo Eversmart Jazz+
I'm not aware of any CMYK scanner targets nor CMYK scanner profiling software; it's all RGB. Monaco Profiler (Gold, Platinum) made extremely good scanner profiles, better than PM5 and the nearly identical i1Match scanner option. i1Profiler now makes scanner profiles--very good, and Silverfast has a profiling option as well. I've used all of these. But be aware that the software must support the particular target you have, and you must have the IT8 characterization file for the target, which is made by measuring it with a spectrophotometer. This is easily done with reflective targets, but transparencies require a special instrument, and normally the target manufacturer provides this file. Silverfast targets have an industry-standard layout and should be supported in most profiling applications. Make sure you download the IT8 file for the serial number range your target is in. If it's an old target that hasn't been stored properly (preferably refrigerated in a sealed bag) its color will no longer match the measurement data and should be replaced with a fresh one. Mike Strickler MSP Graphic Services
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Hello All
I intend to procure the aforementioned scanner to run with included software on a G3 running OS 9.2. I own a silverfast 6x7 IT8 calibration target on Fujichrome Provia. Can anybody suggest means for color calibration?
Thanks
Brian Aderer
www.brianaderer.com (under construction)
The SilverFast profiling option should not be available for Creo scanners because there isn't a SilverFast application version for those scanners. Mark ________________________________ From: Mike Strickler <info@mspgraphics.com> To: colorsync-users@lists.apple.com Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 4:18:48 PM Subject: Re: Color Mgmt with Creo Eversmart Jazz+ I'm not aware of any CMYK scanner targets nor CMYK scanner profiling software; it's all RGB. Monaco Profiler (Gold, Platinum) made extremely good scanner profiles, better than PM5 and the nearly identical i1Match scanner option. i1Profiler now makes scanner profiles--very good, and Silverfast has a profiling option as well. I've used all of these. But be aware that the software must support the particular target you have, and you must have the IT8 characterization file for the target, which is made by measuring it with a spectrophotometer. This is easily done with reflective targets, but transparencies require a special instrument, and normally the target manufacturer provides this file. Silverfast targets have an industry-standard layout and should be supported in most profiling applications. Make sure you download the IT8 file for the serial number range your target is in. If it's an old target that hasn't been stored properly (preferably refrigerated in a sealed bag) its color will no longer match the measurement data and should be replaced with a fresh one. Mike Strickler MSP Graphic Services
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Hello All
I intend to procure the aforementioned scanner to run with included software on a G3 running OS 9.2. I own a silverfast 6x7 IT8 calibration target on Fujichrome Provia. Can anybody suggest means for color calibration?
Thanks
Brian Aderer
www.brianaderer.com (under construction)
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On 24-04-14 22:34, MARK SEGAL wrote:
The SilverFast profiling option should not be available for Creo scanners because there isn't a SilverFast application version for those scanners.
It is the same for Vuescan that has a profiling option but no support for Creo. Kodak (Colorflow) Custom Color Tools can make scanner profiles too. Never done so and can not comment on the quality. Installed Kodak CCT for nostalgic reasons on Photoshop CS2 that is running in an XP environment of Windows 7. Just to know that it is not obselete yet. -- Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm January 2014, 600+ inkjet media white spectral plots.
On 24 Apr 2014, at 21:18, Mike Strickler <info@mspgraphics.com> wrote:
But be aware that the software must support the particular target you have, and you must have the IT8 characterization file for the target, which is made by measuring it with a spectrophotometer.
ProfileMaker supports *any* scanner target you care to devise. Shame that i1 Profiler doesn’t :-( Come on X-Rite, give i1 Profiler the same capability for scanner targets as last Century’s software. -- Martin Orpen Idea Digital Imaging Ltd
On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:16 PM, Martin Orpen <martin@idea-digital.com> wrote:
Come on X-Rite, give i1 Profiler the same capability for scanner targets as last Century’s software.
Truer words were never said….the only software in recent memory that offered LESS features than the one it replaced. :-) Terry
On Apr 24, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Terence Wyse <wyseconsul@mac.com> wrote:
Truer words were never said….the only software in recent memory that offered LESS features than the one it replaced.
The one? Give X-rite more credit, two products. With all the reduced functionality in i1P compared to PMP and MonacoProfiler, we get XRD, a bkgnd process that continuously sucks system resources, crashes and causes more issues with connectivity than prior to it's existence. Engineering is working overtime on such 'features'. The stuff we need? Not so much. Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/
On 24 Apr 2014, at 22:38, Andrew Rodney <andrew@digitaldog.net> wrote:
Engineering is working overtime on such 'features'. The stuff we need? Not so much.
I’ve pointed this out before, so won’t labour the point. In a forum where we have both manufacturers and end-users we don’t need our thoughts and requirements interpreted or filtered by middle-men and rentiers. For those of us that still scan commercially (we’ve still got 3 drum scanners and 2 large-format flatbeds here), it would be really useful if i1 Profiler had the same capability as software from last Century. My demands may be outrageous, but I’m sure that X-Rite are better able to justify their overtime arrangements than a third party... -- Martin Orpen Idea Digital Imaging Ltd
On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:27 PM, Martin Orpen <martin@idea-digital.com> wrote:
In a forum where we have both manufacturers and end-users we don’t need our thoughts and requirements interpreted or filtered by middle-men and rentiers.
I don't know what gives you the balls to suggest I'm not an end user and equally frustrated at the lack of development of the tools I (we) were promised. But it IS typical of your posting style to sling mud when it isn't necessary.
My demands may be outrageous, but I’m sure that X-Rite are better able to justify their overtime arrangements than a third party...
Your demands are not outrageous, your lack of civility most certainly is. But at least your consistant! Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/
Andrew Rodney wrote:
Truer words were never said….the only software in recent memory that offered LESS features than the one it replaced.
The one? Give X-rite more credit, two products. With all the reduced functionality in i1P compared to PMP and MonacoProfiler, we get XRD, a bkgnd process that continuously sucks system resources, crashes and causes more issues with connectivity than prior to it's existence. Engineering is working overtime on such 'features'. The stuff we need? Not so much.
Agreed. The few times I use i1Profiler, I've taken to only running it in a virtual machine. That way it only takes seconds to restore the VM to a previously functional state when i1Profiler gets hopelessly corrupt. As an aside, I've found XRDD and i1Profiler to be more stable on Windows than in OSX. Still a resource hog - you can monitor the memory leaks caused by any action up to the point when i1P up and dies. Please don't get me started on the time that i1P v1.5 wastes repeatedly scanning all profiles in system and hot folders, reading their contents, and communicating *something* to X-Rite after each access. On the original topic of scanner profiling, I can't say that i1Profiler has impressed me. Printer profiles combine the best parts of the GMB/X-Rite heritage: Monaco's profiling engine and PMP's ability to handle any target. Scanner profiling goes the opposite way: profiles are all too close to those of PMP5 and targets are limited to a minimal set. There are two decent options. One is to use ArgyllCMS. Profile quality is excellent, as is the price. A drawback is that you will spend half a day swearing at the scanin program, particularly if you use an IT8 variant. Another option is MonacoProfiler, assuming you have a dongle stashed away. It can be used with nearly any target with aid and assistance. Put your Photoshop automation skills to work to reformat the scan image to match one of the supported targets (HCT or Kodak IT8 for transparencies). Alter the reference file accordingly. Just be sure that you preserve the skin tone patches.
Transparencies can be measured with my SpectraShop (rmimaging.com/spectrashop.html) program if you have either an i1Pro or a Spectrolino. The measurements can be exported in a text format that can easily be edited into the format needed by the profiling software. Contact me off list for more information. Robin Myers robin@rmimaging.com On Apr 24, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Mike Strickler <info@mspgraphics.com> wrote:
I'm not aware of any CMYK scanner targets nor CMYK scanner profiling software; it's all RGB. Monaco Profiler (Gold, Platinum) made extremely good scanner profiles, better than PM5 and the nearly identical i1Match scanner option. i1Profiler now makes scanner profiles--very good, and Silverfast has a profiling option as well. I've used all of these. But be aware that the software must support the particular target you have, and you must have the IT8 characterization file for the target, which is made by measuring it with a spectrophotometer. This is easily done with reflective targets, but transparencies require a special instrument, and normally the target manufacturer provides this file. Silverfast targets have an industry-standard layout and should be supported in most profiling applications. Make sure you download the IT8 file for the serial number range your target is in. If it's an old target that hasn't been stored properly (preferably refrigerated in a sealed bag) its color will no longer match the measurement data and should be replaced with a fresh one.
Mike Strickler MSP Graphic Services
Message: 1 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 23:44:35 +0000 From: "=?utf-8?Q?Brian_T.Aderer?=" <ennigmatick@gmail.com> To: "=?utf-8?Q?colorsync-users@lists.apple.com?=" <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> Subject: Color Mgmt with Creo Eversmart Jazz+ Message-ID: <535850f6.077ee00a.5cab.ffff8513@mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Hello All
I intend to procure the aforementioned scanner to run with included software on a G3 running OS 9.2. I own a silverfast 6x7 IT8 calibration target on Fujichrome Provia. Can anybody suggest means for color calibration?
Thanks
Brian Aderer
www.brianaderer.com (under construction)
participants (8)
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Andrew Rodney
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Ernst Dinkla
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Ethan Hansen
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MARK SEGAL
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Martin Orpen
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Mike Strickler
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Robin Myers
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Terence Wyse