In-browser monitor profiling?
Remember how e-Color used to permit users to calibrate and profile their monitors in-browser, and stored the result in its extension? Well, that company is no more, and the tech seems to have been laid to rest. Is there any solution for color management on the web that is on the monitor side? I know color management has grown incredibly with browser support and OS support - only Chrome on Android and Android specifically are still not color managed - but that doesn't mean we can count on a good monitor profile. Anyone know of a solution? Best, Jeff -- Jeff NovaChief Executive OfficerColorhythm jnova@colorhythm.comMain: +1 415-399-9921Mobile: +1 510-710-9590Fax: +1 415-399-9928 1015 Battery Street, Suite CSan Francisco CA 94111http://colorhythm.com This electronic mail and the documents accompanying it are considered trade secret, confidential and/or proprietary by Colorhythm LLC. This information is intended for use by the individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited.
Even on Chrome desktop (Mac, at least), HTML colors remain not color-managed, and with my wide-gamut monitor, images are oversaturated. I would LOVE a solution to this. Rick Gordon --------------------- On 10/3/16, 10:41 AM, Jeff Nova wrote:
Remember how e-Color used to permit users to calibrate and profile their monitors in-browser, and stored the result in its extension? Well, that company is no more, and the tech seems to have been laid to rest.
Is there any solution for color management on the web that is on the monitor side? I know color management has grown incredibly with browser support and OS support - only Chrome on Android and Android specifically are still not color managed - but that doesn't mean we can count on a good monitor profile. Anyone know of a solution?
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Hi Rick, Jeff, To me this is one of the big disadvantages with wide gamut displays. Non colour managed applications. And those displays are becoming rather common It's amazing that users in the field just get used to the oversaturated web - but, then, have you seen how some set their TV saturation. I have found this browser colourmanagement test illuminating: http://cameratico.com/tools/web-browser-color-management-test/ According to that test, my version of Chrome 54.0.2840.98 (64-bit) on Mac OSX 10.10.5* is* supporting v2 profiles but not v4. With Eizo coloredge screens there is a solution, as the calibration process can be set to restrict the display gamut to sRGB; which would be ideal for non colour managed web. Of course, for image editing, you may like to switch back to a full gamut calibration. That's a different subject though. I mention the Eizo solution because there *may* be a solution for your system that allows restriction of the calibrated gamut. In practice: Some who work in, or advise in, the area of putting up material online feel that if the general public may be viewing on high gamut screens without any sophisticated colour management add-ons, then people who put stuff up online just have to be prepared to see that happen to their carefully crafted images and graphics. Each image may be viewed in 2 distinct ways, high gamut and "sRGB like" gamut. Then there's user settings of course. Out of the box many screens are WAY bright and "blue". Perhaps there is some solace in the fact that the users of these *various* screens have become accustomed to how images etc. are shown. It's not ideal though, for sure. It's a tough one to crack. In a world with 2 distinct types of screen and many users who don't know what they've got, web browsers definitely need colour management (which is ON by default), placed images need to either be tagged, or in the absence of tags [to save space] presumed to be sRGB. just my 2p worth Best Regards, Neil Barstow Imaging & Colour Management Specialist http://www.colourmanagement.net proud to be part of: http://www.colormanagementgroup.com www.colormanagement.com On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 8:34 PM, Rick Gordon <lists@rickgordon.com> wrote:
Even on Chrome desktop (Mac, at least), HTML colors remain not color-managed, and with my wide-gamut monitor, images are oversaturated. I would LOVE a solution to this.
Rick Gordon
--------------------- On 10/3/16, 10:41 AM, Jeff Nova wrote:
Remember how e-Color used to permit users to calibrate and profile their monitors in-browser, and stored the result in its extension? Well, that company is no more, and the tech seems to have been laid to rest.
Is there any solution for color management on the web that is on the monitor side? I know color management has grown incredibly with browser support and OS support - only Chrome on Android and Android specifically are still not color managed - but that doesn't mean we can count on a good monitor profile. Anyone know of a solution?
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[My previous post arrived empty. Trying again after forcing removal of any text formatting.] Neil, I totally agree. Actually my NEC with SpectraView II has the same kind of toggle between different calibrated spaces, so I keep my monitor calibrated to a wide-gamut setting suitable for print production and photo work, and also to "sRGB" (kinda-sorta). But since the OS seems to have no facility to map monitor calibration options to particular applications, and I'm often multitasking, I most often leave it at wide-gamut for convenience. I would love it if there were a way to map the monitor profile choice to particular applications, and/or to different Mission Control spaces. But if anyone has ever implemented something like that, I'm unaware of it. Rick Gordon -------------------- On 12/7/16, 12:54 AM Neil Barstow said:
Hi Rick, Jeff,
To me this is one of the big disadvantages with wide gamut displays. Non colour managed applications.
And those displays are becoming rather common It's amazing that users in the field just get used to the oversaturated web - but, then, have you seen how some set their TV saturation.
I have found this browser colourmanagement test illuminating: http://cameratico.com/tools/web-browser-color-management-test/ According to that test, my version of Chrome 54.0.2840.98 (64-bit) on Mac OSX 10.10.5 is supporting v2 profiles but not v4.
With Eizo coloredge screens there is a solution, as the calibration process can be set to restrict the display gamut to sRGB; which would be ideal for non colour managed web. Of course, for image editing, you may like to switch back to a full gamut calibration. That's a different subject though. I mention the Eizo solution because there may be a solution for your system that allows restriction of the calibrated gamut.
In practice: Some who work in, or advise in, the area of putting up material online feel that if the general public may be viewing on high gamut screens without any sophisticated colour management add-ons, then people who put stuff up online just have to be prepared to see that happen to their carefully crafted images and graphics. Each image may be viewed in 2 distinct ways, high gamut and "sRGB like" gamut. Then there's user settings of course. Out of the box many screens are WAY bright and "blue". Perhaps there is some solace in the fact that the users of these various screens have become accustomed to how images etc. are shown.
It's not ideal though, for sure.
It's a tough one to crack. In a world with 2 distinct types of screen and many users who don't know what they've got, web browsers definitely need colour management (which is ON by default), placed images need to either be tagged, or in the absence of tags [to save space] presumed to be sRGB.
just my 2p worth
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