Hallo Karl, Made a quick experiment with my iPhone11ProMax who’s supposed to have an OLED display. I have to say that, under Settings > Display & Brightness, I have it set to “about 60% brightness” (they only have “slider” interface) and TrueTone is ON. I measured its RGBW colors, which I typed in Excel and copied below (I don’t think the List accepts HTML (apologize in advance for the way the data may come out – we’ll find out now!) : iPhone11 Pro Max x y Y CCT 0.3441 0.3523 50.59 5040 0.6601 0.3319 11.51 610.8 0.3314 0.6070 36.77 554 0.1502 0.0624 3.13 465 First of all, the “Brightness” makes the screen luminance quite low – but I don’t mind. Also, the TrueTone setting makes it appear “yellowish” or “creamy” to some others, but it does not bother me at all. I’m used to this kind of white point CCT. https://1drv.ms/u/s!AkD78CVR1NBqkoAuU7cMVh8vkPvJsA?e=Iry2tn As you can see on the graph, in that TrueTone mode, it’s closer to sRGB than anything else. I shall try, later, to turn TrueTone off, to measure the difference. Bite, enchuldigen sie meine humble technical ignorance about the iPhone aber do they have some kind of ICC profile for the iPhone? At Apple? My old Nokia Windows phone came with selectable ICC profiles… MfG / Roger From: basicc@mac.com <basicc@mac.com> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 12:05 PM To: 'Wire ~' <wire@lexiphanicism.com>; graxx@videotron.ca Cc: ''colorsync-users?lists.apple.com' List' <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> Subject: RE: NEC PA271Q "Native" chromaticities Hi Roger, P3 is the logical choice if you want to address videographers. Most of their software is not color managed and relies on a specific gamut (or calibration/emulation if your monitor supports 3D LUTs). The you can reduce a wide gamut monitor to Rec 709, for example and save the money for a specialised video monitor. A lot of new displays for handhelds and laptops (not only Apple´s) offer a P3 gamut now, most probably due to the fact that they com from the same manufacturer ;-) If you convert to sRGB you cut off a lot of greens which could be printed in an offset process, let alone digital press. NTSC is much better suited for that. That is why eciRGB v2 is very close to NTSC (which was a very theoretical monitor gamut at its time). If you set your monitor to native – or better calibrate it to a white point of 5000K or 6500 K, depending for which industry you are working – AND then profile it, the colors will be right in color managed applications. If you don’t work with color managed applications, calibrating and profiling is a waste of time and money. Then it´s all up to personal taste. Best regards Karl Am 30. Nov. 2019, 17:37 +0100 schrieb Roger Breton via colorsync-users <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com <mailto:colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> >: Wire, Is this what you're looking for? https://1drv.ms/u/s!AkD78CVR1NBqkoAteG-cIdVA_xRmmA?e=EgcKHL Opinion about balance between AdobeRGB and Display P3 in consumer gear? Honestly, I don't know. I don't know at what rate are wide-gamut monitor prices coming down? I'm not sure many "consumers" care all that much or are the least bit knowledgeable about the gamut of their displays? As far as Apple's products are concerned, it may give their engineers "good conscience" to know they are adopting a "new" standard for display, P3, but I suspect most buyers are not all that preoccupied and certainly wouldn't be swayed to buy an Apple product because of their "adoption" of P3. I read elsewhere that Microsoft's Surface Hub has P3 as its "native" space? As an experiment, I tried to set my PA271W in its native gamut, if only to measure the primaries, but I quickly reverted to sRGB emulation because the colors were too vivid? You mentioned NTSC and I was surprised to see how far it reaches into the greens, not so much into the blues but almost on the nose of the spectrum locus for the red primary. Quite a feat. Could it be that televisions were made with these primaries all the way back in the '60s, '70s, '80s, '90s? / Roger -----Original Message----- From: colorsync-users <colorsync-users-bounces+graxx=videotron.ca@lists.apple.com <mailto:colorsync-users-bounces+graxx=videotron.ca@lists.apple.com> > On Behalf Of Wire ~ via colorsync-users Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:49 AM To: colorsync-users@lists.apple.com <mailto:colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> Subject: Re: NEC PA271Q "Native" chromaticities Roger thanks (and Andrew) for looking that up and plotting. Would you replace previous NEC model plot with NTSC 1953 and post your graph over on the DisplayCal thread you recently commented... The graph clearly makes Vincent at DisplayCal's point about combined P3 / Adobe coverage possible with some new tech. And I think it will show that consumer displays (higher end) have finally arrived at the color spec laid down when ENIAC was the next big thing (figuratively haha) What are you opinions about the balance between Adobe RGB and Display P3 coverage in consumer gear? And challenges of wide-gamuts in general. I'm interested in your opinions as both what you think personally and your sense of industry trends. /wire On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 6:40 PM Roger Breton via colorsync-users < colorsync-users@lists.apple.com <mailto:colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> > wrote: Thank you so much, Mr Rodney. Never knew why manufacturers could not publish this kind of data in their technical brochure. A little graphing shows the improvements over the previous generation: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AkD78CVR1NBqkoAglHEpfO10xKmr_g?e=npCj5r I can see they managed to get the red primary very close to the Cine-P3 red primary which, according to the P3 specs, is "made up of a 615nm monochromatic" source of light. The green primary gives the impression that it is cleverly "sitting" between AdobeRGB's green primariy and Cine-P3's green primary. The blue primary is also improved relative to the 271W. I can't assess the black level, though. Being an OLED panel, it's supposed to have deeper black levels than an LCD panel. I suppose you have a 10-bit end to end workflow? May I ask the source of your numbers, Andrew? I1pro2? Multiprofiler? SpoectraView II? I found Multiprofiler numbers are very close to lab-grade instruments, at least in my experience. Thank you so much for your help, / Roger www.graxx.ca <http://www.graxx.ca> -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Rodney <andrew@digitaldog.net <mailto:andrew@digitaldog.net> > Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 9:13 PM To: Roger Breton <graxx@videotron.ca <mailto:graxx@videotron.ca> > Cc: 'colorsync-users?lists.apple.com' List < colorsync-users@lists.apple.com <mailto:colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> > Subject: Re: NEC PA271Q "Native" chromaticities Here's what I see on mine, (full gamut) in SpectraView Info window: Red: 0.683, 0.311 Green: 0.217, 0.721 Blue: 0.153, 0.045 Source: Calibration Sensor. Hope that's useful. Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/ On Nov 29, 2019, at 7:04 PM, Roger Breton via colorsync-users <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com <mailto:colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> > wrote: Would anyone have the 1931 CIE xy chromaticities of this monitor, by any chance? In its "Full", "Native" mode? It's not in the User Manual, it's not on NEC web site, it's not on some user review by PCMag or some other? It's probably shown on Multiprofiler but I don't have the version made for this monitor. Curious to know how they can go about emulating both AdobeRGB and DCI-P3 at the same time. Any help is appreciated / Roger _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. colorsync-users mailing list (colorsync-users@lists.apple.com <mailto:colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> ) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/colorsync-users/wire%40lexipha nicism.com This email sent to wire@lexiphanicism.com <mailto:wire@lexiphanicism.com> _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. 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