An academic question: "Dry Down Time" for UltraChrome HDR inks
An academic question: "Dry Down Time" Looking at Epson's own charts regarding the Epson Stylus Pro 9900, UltraChrome HDR ink Technology, shows various times, from 5 minutes clear up to 144 hours, (6) days. Okay. So, how does the enclosed .icc profiling product, inside a 9900 wait for 'dry down time'? And for how long? I use my own i1Pro Version D, and i1 Profiler, to profile my targets after 24 (1day) hours, for my Epson 9900. What do other professional printers do? Previously I was printing on the Pro 9600 with matte black ink. And the times I used with the older printer were 24 to 48 hours. Usually, 24 hours. The substrates I currently use are Moab's Anasazi Canvas, Moab's Entrada Rag Bright, and some Epson "Signature Worthy paper rolls. I create all my own .icc profiles. Never use canned profiles. Some advertising for this 9900 infers quick drying time. The ads infer there is a dry inside. I don't know what to believe. I think (please correct me when I am wrong) the ads are just attempting to push the merchandise out the door. However, with the hundreds of users on the list, I know I can get beneficial answers. Cheers David B. Miller, member, Millers' Photography L.L.C. 3809 Alabama Street Bellingham, WA 98226-4585 360 739 2826 email digitalimaging@dnmillerphoto.com
On Oct 6, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Millers' Photography L.L.C. wrote:
Okay. So, how does the enclosed .icc profiling product, inside a 9900 wait for 'dry down time'? And for how long?
24 hours should be fine. I've measured targets directly out of the printer, an hour later, next day. Out of the printer, depending on the unit and ink set, I've found just a few high dE values, if memory serves, most in darker blues and such. The average dE is pretty low but if you have the time, 24 hours seems to do the trick. For dealing with out gassing prior to framing, you should provide more dry down time... Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/
Hi David; I have an HP Z3200. It uses 12 HP Vivera cartridges and when it does its internal calibration, it waits about 1 minute to dry before measuring on just about an type of paper. I can't see any "dry down" on anything I've printed on. Waiting 12 or an incredible 24 hours is worst than silver halide dry down! Obviously the machine can't wait 24 hrs to calibrate... I've owned a slew of Epsons, my world filled with clogging problems for years. I'm happy as can.... be since moving to HP. This is not a paid commercial. -LOL chris thomas PHOTOGRAPHER www.facebook.com/ChrisThomas.Vancouver chris@christhomas.com 604 . 649 . 5352 - In Vancouver 1.800.870.5110 - In North America -----Original Message----- From: colorsync-users-bounces+chris=christhomas.com@lists.apple.com [mailto:colorsync-users-bounces+chris=christhomas.com@lists.apple.com] On Behalf Of Millers' Photography L.L.C. Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 2:02 PM To: colorsync-users@lists.apple.com Subject: An academic question: "Dry Down Time" for UltraChrome HDR inks An academic question: "Dry Down Time" Looking at Epson's own charts regarding the Epson Stylus Pro 9900, UltraChrome HDR ink Technology, shows various times, from 5 minutes clear up to 144 hours, (6) days. Okay. So, how does the enclosed .icc profiling product, inside a 9900 wait for 'dry down time'? And for how long? I use my own i1Pro Version D, and i1 Profiler, to profile my targets after 24 (1day) hours, for my Epson 9900. What do other professional printers do? Previously I was printing on the Pro 9600 with matte black ink. And the times I used with the older printer were 24 to 48 hours. Usually, 24 hours. The substrates I currently use are Moab's Anasazi Canvas, Moab's Entrada Rag Bright, and some Epson "Signature Worthy paper rolls. I create all my own .icc profiles. Never use canned profiles. Some advertising for this 9900 infers quick drying time. The ads infer there is a dry inside. I don't know what to believe. I think (please correct me when I am wrong) the ads are just attempting to push the merchandise out the door. However, with the hundreds of users on the list, I know I can get beneficial answers. Cheers David B. Miller, member, Millers' Photography L.L.C. 3809 Alabama Street Bellingham, WA 98226-4585 360 739 2826 email digitalimaging@dnmillerphoto.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Colorsync-users mailing list (Colorsync-users@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/colorsync-users/chris%40christhomas. com This email sent to chris@christhomas.com
Thanks Chris. Today, I did read about clogging heads in specifically, earlier 9900's. I had an 9600 since Nov of 2002. Did have an occasional clog. And the 9600 dedicated to matte black ink served my and my clients very well...... This 9900 was built, or assembled June 28, 2012, a Thursday. So, I do hope issues have settled down, and improvements have been made. I am so used to 24 hour to 48 hour 'dry down time', I'm not bothered by it. My question is, how can any of these manufacturers claim what they claim? I don't know. And, the darkroom? I started my darkroom experience in 1948. Cheers D David B. Miller, member, Millers' Photography L.L.C. 3809 Alabama Street Bellingham, WA 98226-4585 360 739 2826 email digitalimaging@dnmillerphoto.com On Oct 6, 2012, at 3:37 PM, Chris Thomas wrote:
Hi David; I have an HP Z3200. It uses 12 HP Vivera cartridges and when it does its internal calibration, it waits about 1 minute to dry before measuring on just about an type of paper. I can't see any "dry down" on anything I've printed on.
Waiting 12 or an incredible 24 hours is worst than silver halide dry down! Obviously the machine can't wait 24 hrs to calibrate... I've owned a slew of Epsons, my world filled with clogging problems for years.
I'm happy as can.... be since moving to HP. This is not a paid commercial. -LOL
chris thomas PHOTOGRAPHER www.facebook.com/ChrisThomas.Vancouver chris@christhomas.com 604 . 649 . 5352 - In Vancouver 1.800.870.5110 - In North America
-----Original Message----- From: colorsync-users-bounces+chris=christhomas.com@lists.apple.com [mailto:colorsync-users-bounces+chris=christhomas.com@lists.apple.com] On Behalf Of Millers' Photography L.L.C. Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 2:02 PM To: colorsync-users@lists.apple.com Subject: An academic question: "Dry Down Time" for UltraChrome HDR inks
An academic question: "Dry Down Time" Looking at Epson's own charts regarding the Epson Stylus Pro 9900, UltraChrome HDR ink Technology, shows various times, from 5 minutes clear up to 144 hours, (6) days.
Okay. So, how does the enclosed .icc profiling product, inside a 9900 wait for 'dry down time'? And for how long?
I use my own i1Pro Version D, and i1 Profiler, to profile my targets after 24 (1day) hours, for my Epson 9900.
What do other professional printers do?
Previously I was printing on the Pro 9600 with matte black ink. And the times I used with the older printer were 24 to 48 hours. Usually, 24 hours.
The substrates I currently use are Moab's Anasazi Canvas, Moab's Entrada Rag Bright, and some Epson "Signature Worthy paper rolls. I create all my own .icc profiles. Never use canned profiles.
Some advertising for this 9900 infers quick drying time. The ads infer there is a dry inside. I don't know what to believe. I think (please correct me when I am wrong) the ads are just attempting to push the merchandise out the door.
However, with the hundreds of users on the list, I know I can get beneficial answers.
Cheers
David B. Miller, member, Millers' Photography L.L.C. 3809 Alabama Street Bellingham, WA 98226-4585 360 739 2826
email digitalimaging@dnmillerphoto.com
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On 10/07/2012 07:10 AM, Millers' Photography L.L.C. wrote:
Thanks Chris.
Today, I did read about clogging heads in specifically, earlier 9900's. I had an 9600 since Nov of 2002. Did have an occasional clog. And the 9600 dedicated to matte black ink served my and my clients very well......
This 9900 was built, or assembled June 28, 2012, a Thursday. So, I do hope issues have settled down, and improvements have been made.
I am so used to 24 hour to 48 hour 'dry down time', I'm not bothered by it. My question is, how can any of these manufacturers claim what they claim? I don't know.
And, the darkroom? I started my darkroom experience in 1948.
Cheers
D
Fogra checks drying times / color stability for proofing solutions; printer/ink/proof paper. All three brands HP, Epson, Canon qualify within the limits set with their recent pigment inks for wide formats. Look for Fogra cerifications for a specific printer. There is nothing special about proof papers compared to good quality inkjet papers for general use. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=62872.5;wap2 There are media qualities like backlit foil, etc that will need more time to dry but the usual ceramic, nano-porous papers, etc coated papers have no problems. -- Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm 370+ inkjet paper white spectral plots, October 2012: added Tetenal-Kodak, renewed Ilford-Innova-Hahnemühle-Pictorico soon Bonjet-Permajet-FelixSchoeller-Mitsubishi-Kodak(more)
Hi David; You've spent more time in the darkroom than I! So I know you know, tools and technique are just that. I would never suggest a work flow change based on Manufactures claims either. Tests conducted under one's own conditions, are still the only way to separate the smoke from the mirror! As I'm sure you're aware an icc file is not always the recipe for a great print either.... Thankfully the artist's eye and knowledge of what makes a great print is still useful. On the whole; I'm just happy manufacturer keep creating better tools. The Hyperbole isn't confined only to Manufacturers these days.... Let's not get started on that! cheers chris chris thomas PHOTOGRAPHER http://www.facebook.com/ChrisThomas.Vancouver chris@christhomas.com 604 . 649 . 5352 - In Vancouver 1.800.870.5110 - In North America From: Millers' Photography L.L.C. [mailto:digitalimaging@dnmillerphoto.com] Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 10:10 PM To: Chris Thomas Cc: colorsync-users@lists.apple.com Subject: Re: An academic question: "Dry Down Time" for UltraChrome HDR inks Thanks Chris. Today, I did read about clogging heads in specifically, earlier 9900's. I had an 9600 since Nov of 2002. Did have an occasional clog. And the 9600 dedicated to matte black ink served my and my clients very well...... This 9900 was built, or assembled June 28, 2012, a Thursday. So, I do hope issues have settled down, and improvements have been made. I am so used to 24 hour to 48 hour 'dry down time', I'm not bothered by it. My question is, how can any of these manufacturers claim what they claim? I don't know. And, the darkroom? I started my darkroom experience in 1948. Cheers D David B. Miller, member, Millers' Photography L.L.C. 3809 Alabama Street Bellingham, WA 98226-4585 360 739 2826 snip
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