Re: Colorsync-users Digest, Vol 9, Issue 143
Martin, It should be like this: Launch the software Choose "RGB printer" / "Profiling" on the home screen (expert mode) Drag and drop your CGATS data on the measurement button Click "ICC Profile" button, name it and save it. You dont't have to stare at it. ; ) If you like, send me the data off line and I will give it a go. Marc On 9/13/12 2:00 PM, "colorsync-users-request@lists.apple.com" <colorsync-users-request@lists.apple.com> wrote:
Anybody here know if you can import SpectroProofer data into i1Profiler and make a simple RGB profile? I gave up and used Argyll -- txt2ti3 and then colprof and the job was done apart from that lingering feeling that I've wasted my money on i1Profiler.
On 13 Sep 2012, at 23:16, Marc Levine <mallomarx@aol.com> wrote:
Launch the software Choose "RGB printer" / "Profiling" on the home screen (expert mode) Drag and drop your CGATS data on the measurement button Click "ICC Profile" button, name it and save it.
You dont't have to stare at it.
; )
If you like, send me the data off line and I will give it a go.
No need for that Marc, I am capable of using software if I'm given the opportunity to RTFM… if it comes with a FM that is… or somebody tells me how :) My mistake was trying to drag and drop the data on the main window of the measurement panel, and then trying to drop it on the assets panel rather than the icon itself. Providing that sort of functionality would seem sensible to me - but then I'm not an interface designer. I'm going to set up a mailing list for anybody who is interested in discussing i1Profiler because having the data imported only leads to another interface panel which needs more documentation and/or discussion. Controls with sliders that use arbitrary units with no documentation to let me know what to expect from applying x units of contrast, saturation, neutralisation and smoothness are a nightmare. I'd love to spend all day wasting media carrying out tests but I've got deadlines to meet (and a family to feed). i1Profiler Mailman list here: <http://lists.rgb2cmyk.com/mailman/listinfo/i1profiler> Membership list and archive will be private. Anybody can join at the URL above by adding their email address and pressing the Subscribe button. -- Martin Orpen Idea Digital Imaging Ltd
On Sep 14, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Martin Orpen wrote:
Controls with sliders that use arbitrary units with no documentation to let me know what to expect from applying x units of contrast, saturation, neutralisation and smoothness are a nightmare. I'd love to spend all day wasting media carrying out tests but I've got deadlines to meet (and a family to feed).
I have spent many, many days performing exhaustive tests with these and other sliders on a variety of printing processes. Doing so, and having an advanced understanding of these and other profiling specifics helps distinguish myself and my services as a notch above the rest. It's part of becoming a professional. I don't see how having a different unit of measurement would have changed my process or understanding. You have to see the real world test results. The Perceptual rendering controls you mention are nothing new. They are unchanged and have been around for over a decade in previous versions of Profiler (aka Monaco Profiler). This silly emotional banter isn't constructive. XRite already has a forum where these things have been discussed for years. I'd suggest getting over this and move on. Or at least, let us move on. Scott Martin www.on-sight.com
On 14 Sep 2012, at 21:35, Scott Martin <scott@on-sight.com> wrote:
I have spent many, many days performing exhaustive tests with these and other sliders on a variety of printing processes. Doing so, and having an advanced understanding of these and other profiling specifics helps distinguish myself and my services as a notch above the rest. It's part of becoming a professional. I don't see how having a different unit of measurement would have changed my process or understanding. You have to see the real world test results.
The Perceptual rendering controls you mention are nothing new. They are unchanged and have been around for over a decade in previous versions of Profiler (aka Monaco Profiler).
This silly emotional banter isn't constructive. XRite already has a forum where these things have been discussed for years. I'd suggest getting over this and move on. Or at least, let us move on.
Let "us" move on Scott? Who are you representing here? And what "emotional banter" -- the Light Magenta mist of mild disappointment with a software interface perhaps? A mailing list where the "silly emotional" users of i1Profiler can help each other to use the product more effectively would seem like a useful thing to me. Especially if they get to share that information for free and without being patronised by colour management consultants. You can sign up here: <http://lists.rgb2cmyk.com/mailman/listinfo/i1profiler> Perhaps you'd be kind enough to post links to the X-Rite forum where i1Profiler has "been discussed for years"? I'll add the URLs to a list of useful links for list members and post them to the list on Monday. -- Martin Orpen Idea Digital Imaging Ltd
Hi to all, First, we, at X-rite, do understand the customer frustrations with some of our products and the lead times for answers. We have been adding to the staff and have new product managers to better focus on the weak points or points of technical frustration with our products. We have been planning to form an i1 users group within the Linked In ecosystem. I have no problem with "emotional banter", it's part of the playing field and the fact is, if we did a better job, there would be less of it. I recently became manager of the ICC group on Linked In and I am trying to get a handle on group management on Linked In. It is difficult to keep the "wacko get rich quick" ads off of the discussions. I've been working with the product market managers to get a better idea of the pitfalls and strengths of such a group focused on i1Pro and i1Profiler. One big fear, which is justified, is that a "members-only" forum like this, sponsored by X-rite, might be confused with an official application support function. On the other hand, if members of the community can help one another, then it will be beneficial for all. I will post back to this group, when we will be forming that private forum on Linked In. I would welcome any comments from you about this idea. Rather than take valuable bandwidth on this forum, please contact me directly at tlianza AT xrite DOT com. Thanks, TL Sent from my iPad On Sep 15, 2012, at 8:08 AM, "Martin Orpen" <martin@idea-digital.com> wrote:
On 14 Sep 2012, at 21:35, Scott Martin <scott@on-sight.com> wrote:
I have spent many, many days performing exhaustive tests with these and other sliders on a variety of printing processes. Doing so, and having an advanced understanding of these and other profiling specifics helps distinguish myself and my services as a notch above the rest. It's part of becoming a professional. I don't see how having a different unit of measurement would have changed my process or understanding. You have to see the real world test results.
The Perceptual rendering controls you mention are nothing new. They are unchanged and have been around for over a decade in previous versions of Profiler (aka Monaco Profiler).
This silly emotional banter isn't constructive. XRite already has a forum where these things have been discussed for years. I'd suggest getting over this and move on. Or at least, let us move on.
Let "us" move on Scott? Who are you representing here?
And what "emotional banter" -- the Light Magenta mist of mild disappointment with a software interface perhaps?
A mailing list where the "silly emotional" users of i1Profiler can help each other to use the product more effectively would seem like a useful thing to me. Especially if they get to share that information for free and without being patronised by colour management consultants.
You can sign up here:
<http://lists.rgb2cmyk.com/mailman/listinfo/i1profiler>
Perhaps you'd be kind enough to post links to the X-Rite forum where i1Profiler has "been discussed for years"?
I'll add the URLs to a list of useful links for list members and post them to the list on Monday.
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On 15 Sep 2012, at 14:17, Thomas Lianza wrote:
I've been working with the product market managers to get a better idea of the pitfalls and strengths of such a group focused on i1Pro and i1Profiler. One big fear, which is justified, is that a "members-only" forum like this, sponsored by X-rite, might be confused with an official application support function.
PTGui is panoramic stitching software run and operated by a one person band as far as I know (Joost). The support and discussion forum are one and the same thing which works exceptionally well and puts the rest of the digital community to shame. Most help questions are answered by users within a couple of minutes reducing the burden on the company. When a rare bug is reported it is checked by other users and confirmed or not within a few minutes; however it can take up to a whole 24 hours for a fix to be released. Bug reporters are actually thanked on an open forum, rather than the usual communication shutdown. Feature requests are aired and the merits picked over and put on the wish list or everyone is clear why it cannot be. There is no labyrinth of a website to negotiate or the need to copy type a 400 digit password and add your contact details or wait for the computer generated email telling you to switch the computer off and on. The result is that all the software users feel directly connected to the company and the funniest part is when a newbie arrives, and expecting the usual industry experience starts by attacking; the entire list gets very very protective towards Joost. Best Matthew Ward
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Marc Levine
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Martin Orpen
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Matthew Ward
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Scott Martin
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Thomas Lianza