Print Tao is primarily an interface that provides useful production tools, but uses the OEM screening to print. So it's not going to make good use of N channel profiles irrelevant of having a CMYK+ printer. After putting years into a 9900, Ergosoft RIP with individual channel control, both it's GPS N channel profiler and i1 Publishes N channel options, I have to give credit to the RGB to individual ink channel LUTs and screening in the black box Epson driver. The N channel approach for fine art photo inkjet was useful for niche processes, but standard color printing on quality inkjet coated media, the complexities of the process and the lack of superior results over the OEM screening, after years of tinkering, left me mostly with more gray hair. I don't recommend it unless doing unusual work, the Roland Davinci was a similar setup, and you can drive n channel HPs and Canons with that RIP (and others I'm sure) as well. I was totally committed to the idea that expert user control over everything about how the ink went down should yield superior results, and blew years and dollars on it. There seems to be a fundamental difference between the way a profile conversion builds new channels, based on years of color management practices carried over from CMYK work, and the way contemporary printer drivers build ink channels from RGB input, that was my conclusion... Bottom line for you though, without a full featured RIP you can't make use of multichannel control and profiling. --- Tyler Boley http://tylerboley.com/ http://www.custom-digital.com/ http://theagnosticprint.net/ ---
From: Spinnaker Photo Imaging Center <spinnakerphotoimagingcenter@dnmillerphoto.com> To: G Mike Adams <typhoon@correctcolor.org> Cc: "'colorsync-users?lists. apple. com' List" <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> Subject: Re: Multi-color ICC profiles Message-ID: <D52DB826-433F-451F-A477-1F57225000E2@dnmillerphoto.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
My question is, can I use multi color .icc profiles with my workflow….and how? Printer is the Epson Pro 9900, printer software is LSI’s Printao 8. And I also print with LR 6.3 stand alone.
I profiles with i1 Profiler and i1Pro version D. 1155 patches for paper profiling.
David
Millers’ Photography L.L.C. David B. Miller, Pharm. D., member dba Spinnaker Photo imaging Center 3809 Alabama Street Bellingham, WA 98226-4585
Thank you, Tyler. I needed that! Do you or anyone you know, use "Printao 8"? Millers’ Photography L.L.C. David B. Miller, Pharm. D., member dba Spinnaker Photo imaging Center 3809 Alabama Street Bellingham, WA 98226-4585 360 739 2826 david@spinnakerphotoimagingcenter.com <mailto:david@spinnakerphotoimagingcenter.com>
On Dec 23, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Tyler Boley <tboley@tylerboley.com> wrote:
Print Tao is primarily an interface that provides useful production tools, but uses the OEM screening to print. So it's not going to make good use of N channel profiles irrelevant of having a CMYK+ printer. After putting years into a 9900, Ergosoft RIP with individual channel control, both it's GPS N channel profiler and i1 Publishes N channel options, I have to give credit to the RGB to individual ink channel LUTs and screening in the black box Epson driver. The N channel approach for fine art photo inkjet was useful for niche processes, but standard color printing on quality inkjet coated media, the complexities of the process and the lack of superior results over the OEM screening, after years of tinkering, left me mostly with more gray hair. I don't recommend it unless doing unusual work, the Roland Davinci was a similar setup, and you can drive n channel HPs and Canons with that RIP (and others I'm sure) as well. I was totally committed to the idea that expert user control over everything about how the ink went down should yield superior results, and blew years and dollars on it. There seems to be a fundamental difference between the way a profile conversion builds new channels, based on years of color management practices carried over from CMYK work, and the way contemporary printer drivers build ink channels from RGB input, that was my conclusion... Bottom line for you though, without a full featured RIP you can't make use of multichannel control and profiling. --- Tyler Boley http://tylerboley.com/ http://www.custom-digital.com/ http://theagnosticprint.net/ ---
From: Spinnaker Photo Imaging Center <spinnakerphotoimagingcenter@dnmillerphoto.com> To: G Mike Adams <typhoon@correctcolor.org> Cc: "'colorsync-users?lists. apple. com' List" <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> Subject: Re: Multi-color ICC profiles Message-ID: <D52DB826-433F-451F-A477-1F57225000E2@dnmillerphoto.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
My question is, can I use multi color .icc profiles with my workflow….and how? Printer is the Epson Pro 9900, printer software is LSI’s Printao 8. And I also print with LR 6.3 stand alone.
I profiles with i1 Profiler and i1Pro version D. 1155 patches for paper profiling.
David
Millers’ Photography L.L.C. David B. Miller, Pharm. D., member dba Spinnaker Photo imaging Center 3809 Alabama Street Bellingham, WA 98226-4585
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Hi, I know from first hand experience that Frito Lay has been using an expanded gamut process for several years. Here are some links to current vendors using an expanded process color workflow: http://www.sgsintl.com/solutions/brandcont/extgamut.html http://www.robbieflexibles.com/Solutions/Capabilities/Printing---Converting .aspx Example of Green Giant packaging using Expanded process printing is on page 28 of this article: https://www.flexpack.org/ACHIEV/2015_Awards/InnovationShowcase.pdf Discussion going back to 2010: http://printplanet.com/forum/prepress-and-workflow/color-management/8710-hi gh-fidelity-printing Thanks, Gary Scott Xerox Client Ops, Graphics II On Site @ Landor 1001 Front Street | San Francisco, CA 94111 United States 415-365-4418 work | 415-370-6619 cell landor.com <http://landor.com/> | SF.PrintServices@landor.com
Esko has built their Equinox product around expanded gamut workflows. https://www.esko.com/en/products/overview/equinox/overview/ Pantone has published Extended Gamut guides. https://www.pantone.com/extended-gamut-coated-guide
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