Today I've been reading profile patches in i1Profiler by hand, using the i1pro and newer version of the 'scan ruler'. Seven profiles with 3000 patch charts for each. Half way through reading the fifth set of patches I got so annoyed at how slow all this hand scanning was going that I deliberately read the next strip of patches in the WRONG direction! "Take that!" I thought. To my utter delight i1Profiler took it in it's stride and put the measurements in the right way around. Taking advantage this newly discovered ability of i1Profiler's ability to read patch strips in either direction speed things up from there. I realised that as an old spectral vision pro (colorburst) user, I had been habituated to having to scan patches in the 'right direction'. I had unthinkingly carried this habit over to using i1Profiler. Thanks XRite for that feature! Regards Peter Miles
Peter, On 12/06/2013, at 3:50 PM, Peter Miles <P.Miles@massey.ac.nz> wrote:
Today I've been reading profile patches in i1Profiler by hand, using the i1pro and newer version of the 'scan ruler'. Seven profiles with 3000 patch charts for each.
If I had 21000 patches to read I think I'd be looking for a more automated solution if only to avoid Occupational Overuse Syndrome.
Half way through reading the fifth set of patches I got so annoyed at how slow all this hand scanning was going that I deliberately read the next strip of patches in the WRONG direction!
Sorry, but I don't think you're going to like this but it's always(?) been that way. You could/can do this in Profilemaker. Mark
It is pretty fantastic isn't it? The i1Pro2 device and accessories are incredibly well thought out and a delight to use. I'll chime in with a round of thank you's as well. Scott Martin www.on-sight.com
Yes, Xrite have listened and greatly improved device ergonomics. This also means fewer operator-induced errors and better profiles. Re. the automatic solutions, I wish someone would just license a spectro head option for some standard $100 inkjet printer; it would presumably be a niche product but sell well. Edmund On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Scott Martin <scott@on-sight.com> wrote:
It is pretty fantastic isn't it? The i1Pro2 device and accessories are incredibly well thought out and a delight to use. I'll chime in with a round of thank you's as well.
Scott Martin www.on-sight.com
_______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Colorsync-users mailing list (Colorsync-users@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:
https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/colorsync-users/edmundronald%40gmail...
This email sent to edmundronald@gmail.com
On Jun 12, 2013, at 7:33 AM, edmund ronald <edmundronald@gmail.com> wrote:
Re. the automatic solutions, I wish someone would just license a spectro head option for some standard $100 inkjet printer; it would presumably be a niche product but sell well.
ColorSavy built one years and years ago in an inkjet printer, I have one somewhere in the CMS museum. Never worked (issues jamming). Don't think it was ever released. Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/
If that's the device I'm thinking of, Notitsu bought tens of thousands of them 10+ years ago and has been putting them in their silver halide machines ever since. Scott Martin www.on-sight.com On Jun 12, 2013, at 8:36 AM, Andrew Rodney <andrew@digitaldog.net> wrote:
On Jun 12, 2013, at 7:33 AM, edmund ronald <edmundronald@gmail.com> wrote:
Re. the automatic solutions, I wish someone would just license a spectro head option for some standard $100 inkjet printer; it would presumably be a niche product but sell well.
ColorSavy built one years and years ago in an inkjet printer, I have one somewhere in the CMS museum. Never worked (issues jamming). Don't think it was ever released.
Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/
_______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Colorsync-users mailing list (Colorsync-users@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/colorsync-users/scott%40on-sight.com
This email sent to scott@on-sight.com
On Jun 12, 2013, at 7:46 AM, Scott Martin <scott@on-sight.com> wrote:
If that's the device I'm thinking of, Notitsu bought tens of thousands of them 10+ years ago and has been putting them in their silver halide machines ever since.
Maybe the sensor, but this unit was literarily a cheap ink jet printer (I think an HP). The removed the ink head and replaced it with a Spectrophotometer. Very clever but as I said, it didn't work all that well. Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/
Andrew, The inkjet guys really are experts at making ... inkjets. I'm sure that if they wanted to they could do an iSis or DTP70 equivalent for $50 plus the price of a spectro head. They might have spectro issues but not jamming issues, by now jamming issues are zilch on the better Epson and Canons and you know how much they sell for :) The price of the scanning spectros has a lot to do with market segmentation, and the fact that the mechanics are bespoke. Canon and Epson make that stuff every day, their engineering investment would be much lower. Edmund On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Andrew Rodney <andrew@digitaldog.net>wrote:
On Jun 12, 2013, at 7:46 AM, Scott Martin <scott@on-sight.com> wrote:
If that's the device I'm thinking of, Notitsu bought tens of thousands of them 10+ years ago and has been putting them in their silver halide machines ever since.
Maybe the sensor, but this unit was literarily a cheap ink jet printer (I think an HP). The removed the ink head and replaced it with a Spectrophotometer. Very clever but as I said, it didn't work all that well.
Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/ _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Colorsync-users mailing list (Colorsync-users@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:
https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/colorsync-users/edmundronald%40gmail...
This email sent to edmundronald@gmail.com
Edmund,
The inkjet guys really are experts at making ... inkjets. I'm sure that if they wanted to they could do an iSis or DTP70 equivalent for $50 plus the price of a spectro head. They might have spectro issues but not jamming issues, by now jamming issues are zilch on the better Epson and Canons and you know how much they sell for :)
The price of the scanning spectros has a lot to do with market segmentation, and the fact that the mechanics are bespoke. Canon and Epson make that stuff every day, their engineering investment would be much lower.
But the price of desktop printers has a great deal to do with the fact that the manufacturers are giving you the platform to get you on the hook for buying consumables. There wouldn't be any consumables to buy in this device. Then you'd have the cost of the spectro head, and the licensing fee, and the pretty small size of the prospective market, and I really can't see this costing any less than an Isis.
Anyone who ever used a Pulse will recognize a lot of the 'well thought out' features of the i1 Pro 2. It's about time they came back. On Jun 12, 2013, at 12:50 AM, Peter Miles wrote:
Today I've been reading profile patches in i1Profiler by hand, using the i1pro and newer version of the 'scan ruler'. Seven profiles with 3000 patch charts for each.
Half way through reading the fifth set of patches I got so annoyed at how slow all this hand scanning was going that I deliberately read the next strip of patches in the WRONG direction! "Take that!" I thought. To my utter delight i1Profiler took it in it's stride and put the measurements in the right way around. Taking advantage this newly discovered ability of i1Profiler's ability to read patch strips in either direction speed things up from there.
I realised that as an old spectral vision pro (colorburst) user, I had been habituated to having to scan patches in the 'right direction'. I had unthinkingly carried this habit over to using i1Profiler.
Thanks XRite for that feature!
Regards Peter Miles
_______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Colorsync-users mailing list (Colorsync-users@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/colorsync-users/typhoon%40correctcol...
This email sent to typhoon@correctcolor.org
On Jun 12, 2013, at 12:50 AM, Peter Miles wrote:
Half way through reading the fifth set of patches I got so annoyed at how slow all this hand scanning was going that I deliberately read the next strip of patches in the WRONG direction! "Take that!" I thought. To my utter delight i1Profiler took it in it's stride and put the measurements in the right way around. Taking advantage this newly discovered ability of i1Profiler's ability to read patch strips in either direction speed things up from there.
Moving in dual directions (left to right or right to left) was something the original i1Pro did as well. Nothing new here. Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/
Was the ability to read in either direction tied to the reference file? Seem to me that capability came and went when measuring strips of different origins. Mike On Jun 12, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Andrew Rodney <andrew@digitaldog.net> wrote:
On Jun 12, 2013, at 12:50 AM, Peter Miles wrote:
Half way through reading the fifth set of patches I got so annoyed at how slow all this hand scanning was going that I deliberately read the next strip of patches in the WRONG direction! "Take that!" I thought. To my utter delight i1Profiler took it in it's stride and put the measurements in the right way around. Taking advantage this newly discovered ability of i1Profiler's ability to read patch strips in either direction speed things up from there.
Moving in dual directions (left to right or right to left) was something the original i1Pro did as well. Nothing new here.
Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/ _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Colorsync-users mailing list (Colorsync-users@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/colorsync-users/meddington38%40gmail...
This email sent to meddington38@gmail.com
On Jun 12, 2013, at 8:15 AM, Michael Eddington <meddington38@gmail.com> wrote:
Was the ability to read in either direction tied to the reference file? Seem to me that capability came and went when measuring strips of different origins.
I don't believe so if I'm understaind this. i1Match allowed one to scan row 1 from left to right, then row 2 from right to left. All with the original instrument. Isn't that what the OP is talking about? If so, again, nothing new here. Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/
But there has to be a marker. My understanding was that this only worked on patch files that started each row with a black patch. I could be wrong, though. I never was much of a fan of the original i1. Mike On Jun 12, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Andrew Rodney wrote:
On Jun 12, 2013, at 8:15 AM, Michael Eddington <meddington38@gmail.com> wrote:
Was the ability to read in either direction tied to the reference file? Seem to me that capability came and went when measuring strips of different origins.
I don't believe so if I'm understaind this. i1Match allowed one to scan row 1 from left to right, then row 2 from right to left. All with the original instrument. Isn't that what the OP is talking about? If so, again, nothing new here.
Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/
_______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Colorsync-users mailing list (Colorsync-users@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/colorsync-users/typhoon%40correctcol...
This email sent to typhoon@correctcolor.org
ColorPort never had bi-directional charts for the i1Pro....still doesn't AFAIK. Terry On Jun 12, 2013, at 10:19 AM, Andrew Rodney <andrew@digitaldog.net> wrote:
On Jun 12, 2013, at 8:15 AM, Michael Eddington <meddington38@gmail.com> wrote:
Was the ability to read in either direction tied to the reference file? Seem to me that capability came and went when measuring strips of different origins.
I don't believe so if I'm understaind this. i1Match allowed one to scan row 1 from left to right, then row 2 from right to left. All with the original instrument. Isn't that what the OP is talking about? If so, again, nothing new here.
Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/
_______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Colorsync-users mailing list (Colorsync-users@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/colorsync-users/wyseconsul%40mac.com
This email sent to wyseconsul@mac.com
Now they will maybe bring barcharts back to the iSis? That was one of the really nice features of PMP: Print the chart, feed it in, and the software pulls up the right reference etc. Edmund On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Michael Eddington <meddington38@gmail.com>wrote:
Was the ability to read in either direction tied to the reference file? Seem to me that capability came and went when measuring strips of different origins.
Mike
On Jun 12, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Andrew Rodney <andrew@digitaldog.net> wrote:
On Jun 12, 2013, at 12:50 AM, Peter Miles wrote:
Half way through reading the fifth set of patches I got so annoyed at how slow all this hand scanning was going that I deliberately read the next strip of patches in the WRONG direction! "Take that!" I thought. To my utter delight i1Profiler took it in it's stride and put the measurements in the right way around. Taking advantage this newly discovered ability of i1Profiler's ability to read patch strips in either direction speed things up from there.
Moving in dual directions (left to right or right to left) was something the original i1Pro did as well. Nothing new here.
Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/ _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Colorsync-users mailing list (Colorsync-users@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:
https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/colorsync-users/meddington38%40gmail...
This email sent to meddington38@gmail.com
_______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Colorsync-users mailing list (Colorsync-users@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:
https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/colorsync-users/edmundronald%40gmail...
This email sent to edmundronald@gmail.com
On Jun 12, 2013, at 8:21 AM, edmund ronald <edmundronald@gmail.com> wrote:
Now they will maybe bring barcharts back to the iSis? That was one of the really nice features of PMP: Print the chart, feed it in, and the software pulls up the right reference etc.
Edmund
What do you mean? I i1Profiler supports iSis barcode charts. Now if the damn software (their weakness) would have the "Use bar code" check box sticky, or better, see the reference file is for an iSis with a barcode and just select the setting, so much the better. Barcode support in ColorPort would be lovely however! Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/
On Jun 12, 2013, at 10:21 AM, edmund ronald <edmundronald@gmail.com> wrote:
Now they will maybe bring barcharts back to the iSis?
Bring back barcodes for the iSis? It's always been in i1Profiler, ever since it shipped a couple of years ago. ColorPort was always the problem child for the iSis.....no barcodes, no dual-scanning and saving of BOTH M0 and M2 measurements. Terry
On Jun 12, 2013, at 8:32 AM, Terence Wyse <wyseconsul@mac.com> wrote:
ColorPort was always the problem child for the iSis.....no barcodes, no dual-scanning and saving of BOTH M0 and M2 measurements.
Amen brother! CP needs more love and support. Using i1P just to measure a pile of targets is an exercise in frustration, CP is the ideal tool. Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/
On Jun 12, 2013, at 9:32 AM, Terence Wyse <wyseconsul@mac.com> wrote:
ColorPort was always the problem child for the iSis.....no barcodes, no dual-scanning and saving of BOTH M0 and M2 measurements.
IMO, ColorPort should be thought of as the tool for legacy devices, not current ones. Some attention to CP would be nice but attention to current device support isn't realistially going to happen. Scott Martin
Hi, The i1 just reports a list of patches. It is up to the software to decide which way the strip was read in. Lee On 12 Jun 2013, at 15:15, Michael Eddington wrote:
Was the ability to read in either direction tied to the reference file? Seem to me that capability came and went when measuring strips of different origins.
Mike
On Jun 12, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Andrew Rodney <andrew@digitaldog.net> wrote:
On Jun 12, 2013, at 12:50 AM, Peter Miles wrote:
Half way through reading the fifth set of patches I got so annoyed at how slow all this hand scanning was going that I deliberately read the next strip of patches in the WRONG direction! "Take that!" I thought. To my utter delight i1Profiler took it in it's stride and put the measurements in the right way around. Taking advantage this newly discovered ability of i1Profiler's ability to read patch strips in either direction speed things up from there.
Moving in dual directions (left to right or right to left) was something the original i1Pro did as well. Nothing new here.
Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/ _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Colorsync-users mailing list (Colorsync-users@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/colorsync-users/meddington38%40gmail...
This email sent to meddington38@gmail.com
_______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Colorsync-users mailing list (Colorsync-users@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/colorsync-users/lee.b%40bodoni.co.uk
This email sent to lee.b@bodoni.co.uk
Lee Badham www.bodoni.co.uk | www.presssign.com
On Jun 12, 2013, at 7:22 AM, Lee Badham <lee.b@bodoni.co.uk> wrote:
The i1 just reports a list of patches. It is up to the software to decide which way the strip was read in.
Or even which strip, for that matter. Argyll has long supported arbitrary bi-directional strip reading, and it'll even detect out-of-order strips and tell you which strip it thinks you read. Conceptually, it's an easy problem. Realistically, the chances of a chart having the same sequence of patches repeated anywhere, even with significant rounding, should basically be nil. All you have to do is compare the actual values with all the sequences of values in the chart and there's your ID. Implementation could get messy, I suppose, but you don't need perfection; just enough to know which direction the expected strip was read in (trivial) and a best guess (without obsessing over how good the guess is) of which strip was actually read if what you got isn't a reasonable match for what you expected. Cheers, b&
Hello Lee, "> The i1 just reports a list of patches. It is up to the software to decide which way the strip was read in." It can be either way. The i1Pro 2 can automatically provide data in the proper order if configured for it by the program, either by using a predefined color lists or by using the new ruler input. Data can also be ordered in the software, but that requires either a predefined color list or a "start/end of line" marker (bar code). Danny Pascale www.babelcolor.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Badham" <lee.b@bodoni.co.uk> To: "Michael Eddington" <meddington38@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 10:22 AM Subject: Re: Thank you X-Rite!
Hi,
The i1 just reports a list of patches. It is up to the software to decide which way the strip was read in.
Lee
On 12 Jun 2013, at 15:15, Michael Eddington wrote:
Was the ability to read in either direction tied to the reference file? Seem to me that capability came and went when measuring strips of different origins.
Mike
On Jun 12, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Andrew Rodney <andrew@digitaldog.net> wrote:
On Jun 12, 2013, at 12:50 AM, Peter Miles wrote:
Half way through reading the fifth set of patches I got so annoyed at how slow all this hand scanning was going that I deliberately read the next strip of patches in the WRONG direction! "Take that!" I thought. To my utter delight i1Profiler took it in it's stride and put the measurements in the right way around. Taking advantage this newly discovered ability of i1Profiler's ability to read patch strips in either direction speed things up from there.
Moving in dual directions (left to right or right to left) was something the original i1Pro did as well. Nothing new here.
Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/ _______________________________________________
"> Moving in dual directions (left to right or right to left) was something the original i1Pro did as well. Nothing new here. " Yes indeed. But with the i1Pro 2 + new ruler, bidirectional scan is also possible when target measurements are done without using a file with reference data, such as RGB or CMYK. We just need to specify the number of columns. Danny Pascale www.babelcolor.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Rodney" <andrew@digitaldog.net> To: <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 10:03 AM Subject: Re: Thank you X-Rite!
On Jun 12, 2013, at 12:50 AM, Peter Miles wrote:
Half way through reading the fifth set of patches I got so annoyed at how slow all this hand scanning was going that I deliberately read the next strip of patches in the WRONG direction! "Take that!" I thought. To my utter delight i1Profiler took it in it's stride and put the measurements in the right way around. Taking advantage this newly discovered ability of i1Profiler's ability to read patch strips in either direction speed things up from there.
Moving in dual directions (left to right or right to left) was something the original i1Pro did as well. Nothing new here.
Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/ _______________________________________________
On Jun 12, 2013, at 9:58 AM, G Mike Adams <typhoon@correctcolor.org> wrote:
Anyone who ever used a Pulse will recognize a lot of the 'well thought out' features of the i1 Pro 2.
It's about time they came back.
Still waiting for un-tethered and/or Bluetooth option for the i1Pro2....measuring un-tethered with the Pulse was one of the best things about that unit. Terry
participants (11)
-
Andrew Rodney
-
Ben Goren
-
dpascale
-
edmund ronald
-
G Mike Adams
-
Lee Badham
-
Mark Stegman
-
Michael Eddington
-
Peter Miles
-
Scott Martin
-
Terence Wyse