Re: Help! Methinks I'm doing everything right but....
Maybe I'm posting to the wrong list..... is this a professional forum where $5K and $9K pieces of equipment are considered part of the norm? If so, please excuse my post and please direct me to a place less professional in nature. I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone. All I am asking for, as a rank amateur at this, are answers to the questions I asked so I can complete a project I am working for on my own time and dime. I'm using an Imac and Epson 3880 and trying to do a reasearch project for a non profit. This equipment is primarily used for research, printing local posters etc. It's not a graphics factory. They have no color meter so instead of purchasing a $150 or so color meter, I rented a Colormuki because I heard it was great. And given that I am doing a freebie here, A $500 piece of equipment happens to be "ultra expensive" to me. I had no idea I was dealing with a forum that traffics in high end ($9k) gear. In the words of Steve Martin, "Excussse me" for the faux pas of calling the Colormuki "ultra expensive". I wish more time was spent on helping me then deriding my choice of words. Anyway I really need help. As I said, I'm using an IMAC DESKTOP OS X 10.7 with its 27 inch (i think) screen an Epson 3880 printer Adobe Lightroom 4 I downloaded and used the latest ColorMunki software I did the screen calibration 2X. Both generating very similar results. Looks good. I then printed the color "swatches" as directed. let it dry and scanned it with the Colormunki repeated that per directions. It generated a second color "swatch" table which I scanned row by rwo and used the results to set a paper printer profile (I did this whole thing two times as well) With Epson printer control off , In soft proofing and in printing (with both the generated color profile and the Epson supplied paper profile) I get the same terrible results, high contrast, washed out prints. When I have the Epson printer control the process, the results are a lot better but still not right. I tried manually adjusting the colors, contrast, etc, but it was all hit and miss and never correct. So I really need help . I am a novice at this and don't understand things like "changing the path". This is alien territory for me I live in Los Angeles and I would be more than happy to pay someone to send time on the phone and help set this up for me. Many thanks in advance. Just trying to help out a worthy cause. PS. I can post scans if that would help. Scott Goldstein Los Angeles
Scott, Yes, this forum is mostly read by professionals. An Epson 3880 should already print ok with the Epson supplied profiles if you are using Epson paper and the paper settings are correct and the printer is in spec. I would suggest that this problem be taken up with the Epson hotline who can probably help you debug your print workflow, or you might find it useful to locate an online printing tutorial first.. Edmund On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:31 AM, Scott GOLDSTEIN <pobox4115@gmail.com>wrote:
Maybe I'm posting to the wrong list..... is this a professional forum where $5K and $9K pieces of equipment are considered part of the norm? If so, please excuse my post and please direct me to a place less professional in nature. I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone. All I am asking for, as a rank amateur at this, are answers to the questions I asked so I can complete a project I am working for on my own time and dime.
I'm using an Imac and Epson 3880 and trying to do a reasearch project for a non profit. This equipment is primarily used for research, printing local posters etc. It's not a graphics factory. They have no color meter so instead of purchasing a $150 or so color meter, I rented a Colormuki because I heard it was great. And given that I am doing a freebie here, A $500 piece of equipment happens to be "ultra expensive" to me. I had no idea I was dealing with a forum that traffics in high end ($9k) gear. In the words of Steve Martin, "Excussse me" for the faux pas of calling the Colormuki "ultra expensive". I wish more time was spent on helping me then deriding my choice of words.
Anyway I really need help.
As I said, I'm using an IMAC DESKTOP OS X 10.7 with its 27 inch (i think) screen an Epson 3880 printer Adobe Lightroom 4 I downloaded and used the latest ColorMunki software I did the screen calibration 2X. Both generating very similar results. Looks good.
I then printed the color "swatches" as directed. let it dry and scanned it with the Colormunki repeated that per directions. It generated a second color "swatch" table which I scanned row by rwo and used the results to set a paper printer profile (I did this whole thing two times as well)
With Epson printer control off , In soft proofing and in printing (with both the generated color profile and the Epson supplied paper profile) I get the same terrible results, high contrast, washed out prints.
When I have the Epson printer control the process, the results are a lot better but still not right. I tried manually adjusting the colors, contrast, etc, but it was all hit and miss and never correct.
So I really need help . I am a novice at this and don't understand things like "changing the path". This is alien territory for me
I live in Los Angeles and I would be more than happy to pay someone to send time on the phone and help set this up for me.
Many thanks in advance.
Just trying to help out a worthy cause.
PS. I can post scans if that would help.
Scott Goldstein Los Angeles
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Hi you could try Prodig, still a professional imaging forum but marginally less grumpy than this one. Changing the path. - You can print letting Printer manage colours or call up a custom printer profile from within your software. The 3880 profiles are extremely good in my experience, you do not mention what paper you are wanting to profile. If you are using Epson paper I would simply use the profiles supplied with the printer ie Printer manages color. I have made several profiles for our 3880's, they are slightly different but no better than the supplied ones (on Epson Paper). For your sanity, I would suggest (and apologies if you already know some/all of the following...) A 1 Make sure you have the Epson software not the Gimp stuff that comes with Apple. 2 switch to Epson paper in the short term 3 ensure you have a perfect nozzle check 4 download Thomas Holm's excellent test image from http://pixl.dk/download/ 5 print using Printer manages color 6 the print looks correct (there are lots of known memory colours) under window light from a slightly overcast sky? The printer driver is doing its job. 7 Check (roughly) the monitor profile against the same print. The Apple profile is normally 'reasonable' for imacs, it just requires you to turn the brightness way down. 7 print again, calling up the Epson profile from within Lightroom and ensure it matches the other print 8 print again using your paper, homemade profile and Lightroom, if it matches bingo, if not your profile is no good (or was produced using different printer settings from the ones you used to create the patches) or B Employ someone who has invested the price of a family car on a colour meauring device to create a custom profile for you - Google remote profiling Best Matthew Ward ________________________________ From: Scott GOLDSTEIN <pobox4115@gmail.com> To: colorsync-users@lists.apple.com Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 1:31 Subject: Re: Help! Methinks I'm doing everything right but.... Maybe I'm posting to the wrong list..... is this a professional forum where $5K and $9K pieces of equipment are considered part of the norm? If so, please excuse my post and please direct me to a place less professional in nature. I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone. All I am asking for, as a rank amateur at this, are answers to the questions I asked so I can complete a project I am working for on my own time and dime. I'm using an Imac and Epson 3880 and trying to do a reasearch project for a non profit. This equipment is primarily used for research, printing local posters etc. It's not a graphics factory. They have no color meter so instead of purchasing a $150 or so color meter, I rented a Colormuki because I heard it was great. And given that I am doing a freebie here, A $500 piece of equipment happens to be "ultra expensive" to me. I had no idea I was dealing with a forum that traffics in high end ($9k) gear. In the words of Steve Martin, "Excussse me" for the faux pas of calling the Colormuki "ultra expensive". I wish more time was spent on helping me then deriding my choice of words. Anyway I really need help. As I said, I'm using an IMAC DESKTOP OS X 10.7 with its 27 inch (i think) screen an Epson 3880 printer Adobe Lightroom 4 I downloaded and used the latest ColorMunki software I did the screen calibration 2X. Both generating very similar results. Looks good. I then printed the color "swatches" as directed. let it dry and scanned it with the Colormunki repeated that per directions. It generated a second color "swatch" table which I scanned row by rwo and used the results to set a paper printer profile (I did this whole thing two times as well) With Epson printer control off , In soft proofing and in printing (with both the generated color profile and the Epson supplied paper profile) I get the same terrible results, high contrast, washed out prints. When I have the Epson printer control the process, the results are a lot better but still not right. I tried manually adjusting the colors, contrast, etc, but it was all hit and miss and never correct. So I really need help . I am a novice at this and don't understand things like "changing the path". This is alien territory for me I live in Los Angeles and I would be more than happy to pay someone to send time on the phone and help set this up for me. Many thanks in advance. Just trying to help out a worthy cause. PS. I can post scans if that would help. Scott Goldstein Los Angeles _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Colorsync-users mailing list (Colorsync-users@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/colorsync-users/matthew%40matthewwar... This email sent to matthew@matthewwardphotography.com
Of course everything matthew says is perfectly true. However, custom profiling a 3880 for Epson paper is a bit like tuning a Ferrari for a racetrack, turning a very good car into a perfect car. If it doesn't go fast before tuning, then it's broken, already. If printing sRGB images with "Printer manages colors" and the right media set is not working decently, then you need the Epson tech support, not this forum. This forum is about perfection, more than fixing a broken process. Edmund On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:03 PM, matthew ward < matthew@matthewwardphotography.com> wrote:
Hi you could try Prodig, still a professional imaging forum but marginally less grumpy than this one. Changing the path. - You can print letting Printer manage colours or call up a custom printer profile from within your software.
The 3880 profiles are extremely good in my experience, you do not mention what paper you are wanting to profile. If you are using Epson paper I would simply use the profiles supplied with the printer ie Printer manages color. I have made several profiles for our 3880's, they are slightly different but no better than the supplied ones (on Epson Paper).
For your sanity, I would suggest (and apologies if you already know some/all of the following...)
A 1 Make sure you have the Epson software not the Gimp stuff that comes with Apple. 2 switch to Epson paper in the short term 3 ensure you have a perfect nozzle check 4 download Thomas Holm's excellent test image from http://pixl.dk/download/ 5 print using Printer manages color 6 the print looks correct (there are lots of known memory colours) under window light from a slightly overcast sky? The printer driver is doing its job. 7 Check (roughly) the monitor profile against the same print. The Apple profile is normally 'reasonable' for imacs, it just requires you to turn the brightness way down. 7 print again, calling up the Epson profile from within Lightroom and ensure it matches the other print 8 print again using your paper, homemade profile and Lightroom, if it matches bingo, if not your profile is no good (or was produced using different printer settings from the ones you used to create the patches)
or B
Employ someone who has invested the price of a family car on a colour meauring device to create a custom profile for you - Google remote profiling
Best Matthew Ward
________________________________ From: Scott GOLDSTEIN <pobox4115@gmail.com> To: colorsync-users@lists.apple.com Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 1:31 Subject: Re: Help! Methinks I'm doing everything right but....
Maybe I'm posting to the wrong list..... is this a professional forum where $5K and $9K pieces of equipment are considered part of the norm? If so, please excuse my post and please direct me to a place less professional in nature. I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone. All I am asking for, as a rank amateur at this, are answers to the questions I asked so I can complete a project I am working for on my own time and dime.
I'm using an Imac and Epson 3880 and trying to do a reasearch project for a non profit. This equipment is primarily used for research, printing local posters etc. It's not a graphics factory. They have no color meter so instead of purchasing a $150 or so color meter, I rented a Colormuki because I heard it was great. And given that I am doing a freebie here, A $500 piece of equipment happens to be "ultra expensive" to me. I had no idea I was dealing with a forum that traffics in high end ($9k) gear. In the words of Steve Martin, "Excussse me" for the faux pas of calling the Colormuki "ultra expensive". I wish more time was spent on helping me then deriding my choice of words.
Anyway I really need help.
As I said, I'm using an IMAC DESKTOP OS X 10.7 with its 27 inch (i think) screen an Epson 3880 printer Adobe Lightroom 4 I downloaded and used the latest ColorMunki software I did the screen calibration 2X. Both generating very similar results. Looks good.
I then printed the color "swatches" as directed. let it dry and scanned it with the Colormunki repeated that per directions. It generated a second color "swatch" table which I scanned row by rwo and used the results to set a paper printer profile (I did this whole thing two times as well)
With Epson printer control off , In soft proofing and in printing (with both the generated color profile and the Epson supplied paper profile) I get the same terrible results, high contrast, washed out prints.
When I have the Epson printer control the process, the results are a lot better but still not right. I tried manually adjusting the colors, contrast, etc, but it was all hit and miss and never correct.
So I really need help . I am a novice at this and don't understand things like "changing the path". This is alien territory for me
I live in Los Angeles and I would be more than happy to pay someone to send time on the phone and help set this up for me.
Many thanks in advance.
Just trying to help out a worthy cause.
PS. I can post scans if that would help.
Scott Goldstein Los Angeles
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