i1Profiler and Digital Camera Profiling
Since i1Profiler does not include a workflow selection for making icc camera profiles, I was wondering if using the scanner workflow on a camera capture of the X-Rite ColorChecker SG be a successful move? -Louis Servedio-Morales
The Colorchecker Passport is Xrite's camera profiling solution and it's a *DNG profiling solution* that only works with Adobe's RAW engine. Let me say that it's incredibly easy and the results are fantastic. The way DNG camera profiles scale between different light sources is brilliant. ICC camera profiles are a tricky matter that one could argue that it was worth giving up. While I haven't tried using i1P's scanner profiling module to create an ICC camera profile, I'm dubious knowing how many additional variables there are to camera profiling. That said, if you try it out do let us know how it works! Scott Martin http://www.on-sight.com/ http://www.martinphoto.com/ On Feb 12, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Louis Servedio-Morales <louis@blueseaeditions.com> wrote:
Since i1Profiler does not include a workflow selection for making icc camera profiles, I was wondering if using the scanner workflow on a camera capture of the X-Rite ColorChecker SG be a successful move?
Hello Louis: tell us more about your workflow. 2013/2/13 Scott Martin <scott@on-sight.com>
The Colorchecker Passport is Xrite's camera profiling solution and it's a *DNG profiling solution* that only works with Adobe's RAW engine. Let me say that it's incredibly easy and the results are fantastic. The way DNG camera profiles scale between different light sources is brilliant.
ICC camera profiles are a tricky matter that one could argue that it was worth giving up. While I haven't tried using i1P's scanner profiling module to create an ICC camera profile, I'm dubious knowing how many additional variables there are to camera profiling. That said, if you try it out do let us know how it works!
Scott Martin http://www.on-sight.com/ http://www.martinphoto.com/
On Feb 12, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Louis Servedio-Morales < louis@blueseaeditions.com> wrote:
Since i1Profiler does not include a workflow selection for making icc camera profiles, I was wondering if using the scanner workflow on a camera capture of the X-Rite ColorChecker SG be a successful move?
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what the simple solutions do for you easily is create a matrix for your lighting conditions, or in the case of DNG two matrices between which one can interpolate. Theoretically, debayering and white balance should commute (set me right, if I'm wrong) , but practice differs, so the two matrices in DNG help. Good non-DNG ICC profiles for general lighting conditions can be superb -see Capture One's profiles for their own backs - but need great skill to create. Both ICC profiling and DNG profiles can allow you to bake a "look" into the profile; this can improve the handling of neutrals and skin tones quite remarkably. However, doing this requires great skill both in creating the base profile and in editing, which of course requires editing tools. Edmund On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Scott Martin <scott@on-sight.com> wrote:
The Colorchecker Passport is Xrite's camera profiling solution and it's a *DNG profiling solution* that only works with Adobe's RAW engine. Let me say that it's incredibly easy and the results are fantastic. The way DNG camera profiles scale between different light sources is brilliant.
ICC camera profiles are a tricky matter that one could argue that it was worth giving up. While I haven't tried using i1P's scanner profiling module to create an ICC camera profile, I'm dubious knowing how many additional variables there are to camera profiling. That said, if you try it out do let us know how it works!
Scott Martin http://www.on-sight.com/ http://www.martinphoto.com/
On Feb 12, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Louis Servedio-Morales < louis@blueseaeditions.com> wrote:
Since i1Profiler does not include a workflow selection for making icc camera profiles, I was wondering if using the scanner workflow on a camera capture of the X-Rite ColorChecker SG be a successful move?
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With inCamera (PictoColor) you can include spectral measurements of light sources to create ICC profiles, thanks to Robin Myers. 2013/2/14 edmund ronald <edmundronald@gmail.com>
what the simple solutions do for you easily is create a matrix for your lighting conditions, or in the case of DNG two matrices between which one can interpolate. Theoretically, debayering and white balance should commute (set me right, if I'm wrong) , but practice differs, so the two matrices in DNG help.
Good non-DNG ICC profiles for general lighting conditions can be superb -see Capture One's profiles for their own backs - but need great skill to create.
Both ICC profiling and DNG profiles can allow you to bake a "look" into the profile; this can improve the handling of neutrals and skin tones quite remarkably. However, doing this requires great skill both in creating the base profile and in editing, which of course requires editing tools.
Edmund
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Scott Martin <scott@on-sight.com> wrote:
The Colorchecker Passport is Xrite's camera profiling solution and it's a *DNG profiling solution* that only works with Adobe's RAW engine. Let me say that it's incredibly easy and the results are fantastic. The way DNG camera profiles scale between different light sources is brilliant.
ICC camera profiles are a tricky matter that one could argue that it was worth giving up. While I haven't tried using i1P's scanner profiling module to create an ICC camera profile, I'm dubious knowing how many additional variables there are to camera profiling. That said, if you try it out do let us know how it works!
Scott Martin http://www.on-sight.com/ http://www.martinphoto.com/
On Feb 12, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Louis Servedio-Morales < louis@blueseaeditions.com> wrote:
Since i1Profiler does not include a workflow selection for making icc camera profiles, I was wondering if using the scanner workflow on a camera capture of the X-Rite ColorChecker SG be a successful move?
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On Feb 14, 2013, at 2:59 PM, José Ángel Bueno García <jbueno61@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Scott Martin <scott@on-sight.com> wrote:
The Colorchecker Passport is Xrite's camera profiling solution and it's a *DNG profiling solution* that only works with Adobe's RAW engine.
Actally I just learned today that Iridient Developer, formally Raw Developer (a favorite of mine) can accept DNG or ICC camera profiles. I'm discussing with the author the implications of trying to use both types of profile and how we might see if one is indeed 'better' than the other. Much of this ends up being subjective but it would be intresting to develop a set of tests whereby photographers could load their raws into ID, then comment on just the role of the profiles on their images. What I will say is my experience in building ICC camera profiles has been hit or miss over the years. My experience making DNG profiles is they are very easy to build (not fussy about lighting) and have always provided as good or better color appearance compared to the 'canned' DNG profiles for my Canon cameras. Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/
My extensive experience with creating ICC profiles over the years for my Betterlight Scan Back is that they are only really applicable for a controlled studio scenario where achieving color match is required, for me it was for art reproductions. On the other hand DNG profiles as Andrew mentioned are much more applicable for day to day digital capture. _______________________________________ Steven Kornreich steve@kuau.com http://www.kuau.com On Feb 14, 2013, at 6:51 PM, Andrew Rodney <andrew@digitaldog.net> wrote:
On Feb 14, 2013, at 2:59 PM, José Ángel Bueno García <jbueno61@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Scott Martin <scott@on-sight.com> wrote:
The Colorchecker Passport is Xrite's camera profiling solution and it's a *DNG profiling solution* that only works with Adobe's RAW engine.
Actally I just learned today that Iridient Developer, formally Raw Developer (a favorite of mine) can accept DNG or ICC camera profiles. I'm discussing with the author the implications of trying to use both types of profile and how we might see if one is indeed 'better' than the other. Much of this ends up being subjective but it would be intresting to develop a set of tests whereby photographers could load their raws into ID, then comment on just the role of the profiles on their images.
What I will say is my experience in building ICC camera profiles has been hit or miss over the years. My experience making DNG profiles is they are very easy to build (not fussy about lighting) and have always provided as good or better color appearance compared to the 'canned' DNG profiles for my Canon cameras.
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At the risk of seeming ridiculous, I use to get pleasing results running Rags Gardner's ACR Camera Calibration script on the Macbeth chart before DNG profiling was born. And when DNG profiling arrived I'd run the script on top of a DNG profile. Those good old days ;) On Feb 14, 2013, at 9:46 PM, Steven Kornreich <steve@kuau.com> wrote:
My extensive experience with creating ICC profiles over the years for my Betterlight Scan Back is that they are only really applicable for a controlled studio scenario where achieving color match is required, for me it was for art reproductions.
On the other hand DNG profiles as Andrew mentioned are much more applicable for day to day digital capture.
_______________________________________ Steven Kornreich steve@kuau.com http://www.kuau.com
On Feb 14, 2013, at 6:51 PM, Andrew Rodney <andrew@digitaldog.net> wrote:
On Feb 14, 2013, at 2:59 PM, José Ángel Bueno García <jbueno61@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Scott Martin <scott@on-sight.com> wrote:
The Colorchecker Passport is Xrite's camera profiling solution and it's a *DNG profiling solution* that only works with Adobe's RAW engine.
Actally I just learned today that Iridient Developer, formally Raw Developer (a favorite of mine) can accept DNG or ICC camera profiles. I'm discussing with the author the implications of trying to use both types of profile and how we might see if one is indeed 'better' than the other. Much of this ends up being subjective but it would be intresting to develop a set of tests whereby photographers could load their raws into ID, then comment on just the role of the profiles on their images.
What I will say is my experience in building ICC camera profiles has been hit or miss over the years. My experience making DNG profiles is they are very easy to build (not fussy about lighting) and have always provided as good or better color appearance compared to the 'canned' DNG profiles for my Canon cameras.
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Andrew Rodney
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edmund ronald
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José Ángel Bueno García
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Louis Servedio-Morales
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Scott Martin
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Steven Kornreich