Hey Colorsyncers. I’ve been testing the i1Pro3+ and i1iO3 table in a variety of situations for a good while now. I have a review of XRite’s i1Pro3+ you can find at: http://www.on-sight.com/xrite-i1pro3-review/ <https://www.on-sight.com/?p=71755&preview=true> I think you’ll find it addresses of some of questions I would imagine this group has: 1) When should I consider making polarized measurements? 2) What print quality differences can I expect to see with profiles made from polarized M3 measurements? 3) What print quality differences can I expect to see with the new transmissive profiling mode? 4) What's different about i1Profiler’s transmissive profiling mode that we haven’t seen before? 5) How consistent will print quality be relative to other measurement modes? 6) How consistent will print quality be if I made some profiles with the i1Pro3+, some with an iSis, and others with an i1Pro2? I’ve included some color gamut renderings and, IMO, some really important dialog about interpreting such renderings. I’ve also included some M2 and M3 profiles of the same glossy canvas media that you can download and compare for yourself. Let me know if you have any thoughts or questions about the i1Pro3+ and i1iO3 Table. Scott Martin www.on-sight.com Precise color science for printmaking professionals
Scott Martin via colorsync-users wrote:
Let me know if you have any thoughts or questions about the i1Pro3+ and i1iO3 Table.
Here's a question for you: Does the i1Pro3+ have a backwards compatibility mode where it operates like the i1Pro2 ? (Obviously without making any of its new features available.) Cheers, Graeme Gill.
Hey Graeme! While the large aperture has advantages, it does mean that it can’t read smaller patches intended for a small aperture device like the i1Pro2. So, there's no compatibility mode. Scott Martin www.on-sight.com Precise color science for printmaking professionals
On Oct 13, 2019, at 5:19 PM, Graeme Gill via colorsync-users <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> wrote:
Here's a question for you: Does the i1Pro3+ have a backwards compatibility mode where it operates like the i1Pro2 ? (Obviously without making any of its new features available.)
Scott Martin wrote:
Hey Graeme! While the large aperture has advantages, it does mean that it can’t read smaller patches intended for a small aperture device like the i1Pro2. So, there's no compatibility mode.
Hi, sorry, I don't understand what the aperture has to do with it. As you know, the i1pro2 has an i1pro1 fallback compatibility mode, so it would seem a reasonable possibility that the i1pro3+ has an i1pro2 fallback mode. The change in aperture would only seem to be relevant in printing test charts. Cheers, Graeme Gill.
This is an interesting question: is the new model hardware usable with unmodified old software? Edmund On Monday, October 14, 2019, Graeme Gill via colorsync-users < colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> wrote:
Scott Martin wrote:
Hey Graeme! While the large aperture has advantages, it does mean that it can’t read smaller patches intended for a small aperture device like the i1Pro2. So, there's no compatibility mode.
Hi, sorry, I don't understand what the aperture has to do with it. As you know, the i1pro2 has an i1pro1 fallback compatibility mode, so it would seem a reasonable possibility that the i1pro3+ has an i1pro2 fallback mode. The change in aperture would only seem to be relevant in printing test charts.
Cheers, Graeme Gill.
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I have an i1Pro3. The i1Pro3 uses a different set of interface libraries than the i1Pro2/i1Pro1. It is unrecognized by the current i1Pro2/i1Pro1 libraries. Robin Myers
On 14 Oct 2019, at 08:28, edmund ronald via colorsync-users <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> wrote:
This is an interesting question: is the new model hardware usable with unmodified old software?
Edmund
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Scott Martin wrote:
Hey Graeme! While the large aperture has advantages, it does mean that it can’t read smaller patches intended for a small aperture device like the i1Pro2. So, there's no compatibility mode.
Hi, sorry, I don't understand what the aperture has to do with it. As you know, the i1pro2 has an i1pro1 fallback compatibility mode, so it would seem a reasonable possibility that the i1pro3+ has an i1pro2 fallback mode. The change in aperture would only seem to be relevant in printing test charts.
Cheers, Graeme Gill.
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If I may suggest a test to someone who has an i1Pro 3... BabelColor CT&A can be installed in demo mode (WARNING!, this is software I sell). In the instrument menu there are the following choices: i1Pro / i1Pro 2 (non-XRGA) and i1Pro / i1Pro 2 (XRGA) each corresponding to a different driver. The non-XRGA driver is an old i1Pro only 32 bit driver and will thus not appear in the macOS 64 bit version of CT&A. When connecting an i1Pro 2 using the non-XRGA driver, the instrument is recognized and behaves as an i1Pro. This is what Graeme refers to as backward compatible. The test would be to (try to) connect an i1Pro 3 to each driver and see if it is recognized as an i1Pro in the non-XRGA driver and as an i1Pro 2 in the XRGA driver. Danny Pascale dpascale@babelcolor.com www.babelcolor.com On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 16:00:52 +1100, Graeme Gill via colorsync-users <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> wrote: Scott Martin wrote: > Hey Graeme! While the large aperture has advantages, it does mean that it can’t read > smaller patches intended for a small aperture device like the i1Pro2. So, there's no > compatibility mode. Hi, sorry, I don't understand what the aperture has to do with it. As you know, the i1pro2 has an i1pro1 fallback compatibility mode, so it would seem a reasonable possibility that the i1pro3+ has an i1pro2 fallback mode. The change in aperture would only seem to be relevant in printing test charts. Cheers, Graeme Gill. _______________________________________________
The i1Pro3+ is a whole new device with new libraries and API. For access to SDKs/APIs, he can send an Email to LicensingTeam@XRITE.com For technical questions on the SDKs/APIs he can Email to devsupport@xrite.com <mailto:devsupport@xrite.com> If XRIte had a compatibility mode people would try to measure existing targets and would get terrible results. I think you’ll find the “Plus” along with it’s larger aperture and multiple filters to be a bigger deal than you might be thinking. Scott Martin www.on-sight.com Precise color science for printmaking professionals
On Oct 14, 2019, at 12:00 AM, Graeme Gill via colorsync-users <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> wrote:
sorry, I don't understand what the aperture has to do with it. As you know, the i1pro2 has an i1pro1 fallback compatibility mode, so it would seem a reasonable possibility that the i1pro3+ has an i1pro2 fallback mode. The change in aperture would only seem to be relevant in printing test charts.
Scott Martin wrote: Hi,
If XRIte had a compatibility mode people would try to measure existing targets and would get terrible results.
Not all measurements involve reading existing patch strips.
I think you’ll find the “Plus” along with it’s larger aperture and multiple filters to be a bigger deal than you might be thinking.
I think I know my way around an i1Pro. Multiple filters are a standard part of the Spectrolino, an instrument I'm also very familiar with. Cheers, Graeme Gill.
Graeme Constructively- I think « someone », not you but maybe the Babelcolor guru, or even that Robin gentleman who seems to have had something to do with Colorsync, could politely ask the geeks at Xrite whether some,sort of compatibility mode isnt hidden away in the device. I think there are a large number of RIP owners out there whose owners would prefer to use a large aperture instrument, but who will not, ever, change their production software. Edmund Edmund On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 12:15 AM Graeme Gill via colorsync-users < colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> wrote:
Scott Martin wrote:
Hi,
If XRIte had a compatibility mode people would try to measure existing targets and would get terrible results.
Not all measurements involve reading existing patch strips.
I think you’ll find the “Plus” along with it’s larger aperture and multiple filters to be a bigger deal than you might be thinking.
I think I know my way around an i1Pro. Multiple filters are a standard part of the Spectrolino, an instrument I'm also very familiar with.
Cheers,
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On Oct 14, 2019, at 5:58 PM, edmund ronald via colorsync-users <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> wrote:
I think there are a large number of RIP owners out there whose owners would prefer to use a large aperture instrument, but who will not, ever, change their production software.
RIP developers have had the APIs for quite a while. I’m not certain which RIPs are supporting the i1Pro 3+ just yet but can tell you the current version of ONYX does (19.0.2). Scott Martin www.on-sight.com
Hello All, Because the i1Pro3 uses completely different interface libraries, and the older i1Pro1/i1Pro2 libraries will not recognize or work with the i1Pro3, it is safe to assume that any software currently using the i1Pro1/i1Pro2, that wants to use the i1Pro3, will have to be changed. I am currently working on updating SpectraShop to work with the i1Pro3, as well as the older i1Pro2 and i1Pro 1 instruments and I can assure you that I have to load both libraries and use two different sets of programming interfaces to work with these instruments. Your RIP provider will have to upgrade their software to use the i1Pro3. They probably have to upgrade their software anyway to 64-bit just to run on the newer operating systems. Regards, Robin Myers
On 14 Oct 2019, at 15:58, edmund ronald via colorsync-users <colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> wrote:
Graeme
Constructively-
I think « someone », not you but maybe the Babelcolor guru, or even that Robin gentleman who seems to have had something to do with Colorsync, could politely ask the geeks at Xrite whether some,sort of compatibility mode isnt hidden away in the device. I think there are a large number of RIP owners out there whose owners would prefer to use a large aperture instrument, but who will not, ever, change their production software.
Edmund
Edmund
On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 12:15 AM Graeme Gill via colorsync-users < colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> wrote:
Scott Martin wrote:
Hi,
If XRIte had a compatibility mode people would try to measure existing targets and would get terrible results.
Not all measurements involve reading existing patch strips.
I think you’ll find the “Plus” along with it’s larger aperture and multiple filters to be a bigger deal than you might be thinking.
I think I know my way around an i1Pro. Multiple filters are a standard part of the Spectrolino, an instrument I'm also very familiar with.
Cheers,
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