Wire, Thanks for following up with these new analytical reports. The performance is very good. It may be possible to do better but it's not bad at all. Please excuse my ignorance but where does the Display profile "Luminance" comes from? Is that in the AdobeRGB (1998) specs itself, that the calibrated Luminance ought to be 144.2 cd/m2? Whereas, on your Dell, with your DTP94 (w/i1cmx) the measured Luminance is 113.9? I guess you get 113.9 as a consequence of having selected the AdobeRGB Preset on your monitor? I will have to read up on that.... Also, why do they have a line which reads : "Assumed target whitepoint: 6700K daylight, xy 0.3097 0.326 (XYZ 94.97 100 111.73)", where could this value come from? More reading.... That would seem to suggest some kind of "native white point" option. / Roger -----Original Message----- From: colorsync-users <colorsync-users-bounces+graxx=videotron.ca@lists.apple.com> On Behalf Of Wire ~ via colorsync-users Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 3:52 PM To: colorsync-users@lists.apple.com Subject: Re: Dell UP2516D Not sure how the DCal reports I've shared will manifest when accessed? They're self-contained html with some local active form elements to allow a menu. https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/1bxq64ybCYUxh4USCHPG99Q8Bp3-iG oV1/1DSpUzIAgxsiG8qi8FKr2uJ5_P4MNmTKu The Adobe RGB measurement report plot shows worse gamma tracking than sRGB, but don't know why. I don't know how to read that graph. Also are some options in DCal to adjust the way it handles blacks when making a report, I need to look into it... _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. colorsync-users mailing list (colorsync-users@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/colorsync-users/graxx%40videotron.ca This email sent to graxx@videotron.ca
Re measured luminance, I set the brightness to a custom value. The display preset doesn't enforce a brightness setting. Looks like a possible hazard for out-of-box users? Re assumed whitepoint. that's a DisplayCal specific question. Idk On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 1:08 PM Roger Breton via colorsync-users < colorsync-users@lists.apple.com> wrote:
Wire,
Thanks for following up with these new analytical reports. The performance is very good. It may be possible to do better but it's not bad at all.
Please excuse my ignorance but where does the Display profile "Luminance" comes from? Is that in the AdobeRGB (1998) specs itself, that the calibrated Luminance ought to be 144.2 cd/m2? Whereas, on your Dell, with your DTP94 (w/i1cmx) the measured Luminance is 113.9? I guess you get 113.9 as a consequence of having selected the AdobeRGB Preset on your monitor? I will have to read up on that.... Also, why do they have a line which reads : "Assumed target whitepoint: 6700K daylight, xy 0.3097 0.326 (XYZ 94.97 100 111.73)", where could this value come from? More reading.... That would seem to suggest some kind of "native white point" option.
/ Roger
-----Original Message----- From: colorsync-users <colorsync-users-bounces+graxx=videotron.ca@lists.apple.com> On Behalf Of Wire ~ via colorsync-users Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 3:52 PM To: colorsync-users@lists.apple.com Subject: Re: Dell UP2516D
Not sure how the DCal reports I've shared will manifest when accessed? They're self-contained html with some local active form elements to allow a menu.
https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/1bxq64ybCYUxh4USCHPG99Q8Bp3-iG oV1/1DSpUzIAgxsiG8qi8FKr2uJ5_P4MNmTKu <https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/1bxq64ybCYUxh4USCHPG99Q8Bp3-iGoV1/1DSpUzIAgxsiG8qi8FKr2uJ5_P4MNmTKu>
The Adobe RGB measurement report plot shows worse gamma tracking than sRGB, but don't know why. I don't know how to read that graph. Also are some options in DCal to adjust the way it handles blacks when making a report, I need to look into it...
I think I got controls wrong for the verify pass in Dcal. I've double-checked and remeasured and updated the posted report. I raised peak brightness to 170, per wikipedia writeup on Adobe RGB viewing assumption and resmeasued. Saw this "History of Adobe RGB" in the wikipedia writeup. I like how it reveals how uncertain the process of progress can be. //Beginning in 1997, Adobe Systems was looking into creating ICC profiles that its consumers could use in conjunction with Photoshop's new color management features. Since not many applications at the time had any ICC color management, most operating systems did not ship with useful profiles. Lead developer of Photoshop, Thomas Knoll decided to build an ICC profile around specifications he found in the documentation for the SMPTE 240M standard, the precursor to Rec. 709. SMPTE 240M's gamut was wider than that of the sRGB color space, but not by much. However, with the release of Photoshop 5.0 nearing, Adobe made the decision to include the profile within the software. Although users loved the wider range of reproducible colors, those familiar with the SMPTE 240M specifications contacted Adobe, informing the company that it had copied the values that described idealized primaries, not actual standard ones. The real values were much closer to sRGB's, which avid Photoshop consumers did not enjoy as a working environment. To make matters worse, an engineer had made an error when copying the red primary chromaticity coordinates, resulting in an even more inaccurate representation of the SMPTE standard. Adobe tried numerous tactics to correct the profile, such as correcting the red primary and changing the white point to match that of the CIE Standard Illuminant D50, yet all of the adjustments made CMYK conversion worse than before. In the end, Adobe decided to keep the "incorrect" profile, but changed the name to Adobe RGB (1998) in order to avoid a trademark search or infringement.[1]//
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